Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Lieu is another one of the asshats who has been swearing to every camera in sight for three years that Trump committed TREASON and there was evidence to support it. Yet his first bite at the apple with Mueller he asks about OBSTRUCTION not TREASON. Rectify. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: He can't even be impeached for it now. And you're only hearing what you want to hear. There's no evidence of obstruction, just vague feelings and interpretations of conflicting opinions. But he can be charged for it once he's out of the White House. And there is evidence. The question would become if a prosecutor can convince a jury that it happened, based off written evidence and testimony from witnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, pop gun said: No it's not! Everyone else is, FBI, media, my aunt Susie and the cat on the corner, all so unfair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Truly you are speculating on the reason..do you disagree it is speculation? Pretty simple i think??? Not when it's backed by evidence and motive. Which this is Easy to prove me wrong with another explanation that works. But there isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Traitors. I want them hanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: But he can be charged for it once he's out of the White House. And there is evidence. The question would become if a prosecutor can convince a jury that it happened, based off written evidence and testimony from witnesses. Every scrap of evidence is untested in court or by cross examination. It's not real. And there's ample evidence much of it was manipulated (like the edited voicemail to Flynn's counsel). There's nothing real here -- but for Vol I -- which they're trying their best to ignore. Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: "[C]learly stated Trump may have..." Do you even understand how stupid that sounds? How do you indict on 12 counts of "may have obstructed?" I thought we're supposed to assume people are innocent until proven guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: But he can be charged for it once he's out of the White House. And there is evidence. The question would become if a prosecutor can convince a jury that it happened, based off written evidence and testimony from witnesses. If there's evidence, impeach him on it. That's what impeachment is for: to remove an otherwise-immune official from office so he can be criminally charged. They've only fed you the "We'll charge him once he's out of office" line to string you along for 2020. Just now, jrober38 said: I thought we're supposed to assume people are innocent until proven guilty? Yes. And you're the one presuming guilt until innocence is proven. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: If there's evidence, impeach him on it. That's what impeachment is for: to remove an otherwise-immune official from office so he can be criminally charged. They've only fed you the "We'll charge him once he's out of office" line to string you along for 2020. I've already said I think this is what should and shouldn't happen with you. I agree they should impeach if that's what they want, and that the shouldn't go after him once he's out of politics. However it doesn't seem to be what Democrat Leadership wants. Impeachment is very unpopular among Americans, and it seems as though if anything does happen it will be after Trump is out of office. Edited July 24, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 The government sets you up for a sham charge of a crime that the same government later admits you didn’t do and then comes down on you for trying to stop the sham that they set up. Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 This guy is trying to exonerate Russia? Wow, what a fifth columnist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Two big questions here: Why did they edit the voicemail, why was Kilminik not identified as a US asset.... Mueller punts on both. (he's toast) 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: The government sets you up for a sham charge of a crime that the same government later admits you didn’t do and then comes down on you for trying to stop the sham that they set up. Nice! Federal law enforcement has an awful lot of latitude that pretty much allows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Not when it's backed by evidence and motive. Which this is Easy to prove me wrong with another explanation that works. But there isn't one. we can argue to days end..unless you have access to DOJ and know for certain why he was not charged, it is by definition speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: we can argue to days end..unless you have access to DOJ and know for certain why he was not charged, it is by definition speculation I do have access to the DOJ (kinda) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I've already said I think this is what should and shouldn't happen with you. I agree they should impeach if that's what they want, and that the shouldn't go after him once he's out of politics. However it doesn't seem to be what Democrat Leadership wants. Impeachment is very unpopular among Americans, and it seems as though if anything does happen it will be after Trump is out of office. Do you realize that you just stated that Democrats are doing nothing but playing politics with a criminal investigation? You clearly don't agree with me at all, if you're okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Federal law enforcement has an awful lot of latitude that pretty much allows it. and obstructing, or trying to obstruct, that investigation is a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Witness tampering. This is a criminal enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: Do you realize that you just stated that Democrats are doing nothing but playing politics with a criminal investigation? You clearly don't agree with me at all, if you're okay with that. I do realize that, and I think it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I do have access to the DOJ (kinda) unless you want to show the evidence in court..its all speculation..saying "i know, but i cant tell ya how" is speculation, plain and simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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