shrader Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, K-9 said: I agree about Risto. Unless it's an absolute haul in return, including a top 6 immediate contributor, I want to keep him. To borrow a Lindyism, Risto has jam in his game and I'm intrigued by what a new coach like Krueger might get out of him. I'm starting to get the impression that the big return you're talking about will get thrown around in trade offers. This will be very interesting to watch. They don't exactly have the depth at the position to play around too much, but it's going to be something to think over quite a bit. Edited June 19, 2019 by shrader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, shrader said: I'm starting to get the impression that the big return you're talking about will get thrown around in trade offers. This will be very interesting to watch. They don't exactly have the depth at the position to play around too much, but it's going to be something to think over quite a bit. I think that would be a nice problem to have. And as long as they get a return that immediately provides the nightly impact for us that Risto will for the team that gets him, I'm not really interested. May not be as much of a dilemma as I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I am in the keep Risto camp unless there is a ridiculous offer coming back. Starting to think the draft preference is Cozens, Zegras, with Newhook as a dark horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 I was’t sure the Sabres were going to qualify him. Curious to see if they qualify Larsson now too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I was’t sure the Sabres were going to qualify him. Curious to see if they qualify Larsson now too. I can't see why they wouldn't qualify Larsson. The offer is dirt cheap and you may as well maintain control of an at least somewhat useful player. I'd be watching the lower end guys if I'm looking for someone who isn't retained, the Brycen Martins of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, shrader said: I can't see why they wouldn't qualify Larsson. The offer is dirt cheap and you may as well maintain control of an at least somewhat useful player. I'd be watching the lower end guys if I'm looking for someone who isn't retained, the Brycen Martins of the world. I agree. I think Larsson has actually been more useful than girgensons in recent years, so if only 1 was goin to be qualified I thought it would be Larsson. Now I expect both to be. There were some rumors that buffalo may not qualify either, that’s the main reason I wondered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, K-9 said: I agree about Risto. Unless it's an absolute haul in return, including a top 6 immediate contributor, I want to keep him. To borrow a Lindyism, Risto has jam in his game and I'm intrigued by what a new coach like Krueger might get out of him. I'm not into thuggish hockey. But your team has to have a certain level of physical play to its game in order to compete and protect the finesse guys . He is one of the few players that has that aspect to his game. Bogo in his physical prime had that ability to play a muscular game but because of his accumulating injuries it has taken a toll on him. He will have to adjust his game to a more finesse and puck moving style of play in order to survive a little longer. Just because Bogo might be built like a guerrilla that doesn't mean he is as durable as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: I'm not into thuggish hockey. But your team has to have a certain level of physical play to its game in order to compete and protect the finesse guys . He is one of the few players that has that aspect to his game. Bogo in his physical prime had that ability to play a muscular game but because of his accumulating injuries it has taken a toll on him. He will have to adjust his game to a more finesse and puck moving style of play in order to survive a little longer. Just because Bogo might be built like a guerrilla that doesn't mean he is as durable as one. Just to be clear "jam" doesn't equate to thuggish. Jam is being hard to play against and tweaking your opponent in the process. Perhaps the best example of that is Ovechkin. Perhaps that's why he and Risto have had such epic battles over the years. Good point about Bogo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 https://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/penguins-were-not-alone-in-making-a-superior-offer-for-trouba-than-the-rangers-more-buzz/ don’t know how viable this source is. This rumor (re:trouba and the NYR) has been going around today and it looks like this is the source of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 looks like all the main guys were qualified after all. I’m glad. No reason to not qualify any of the players listed. That would have been poor asset management IMO. Even if you don’t want them, I would think guys like Larsson and Girgensons would at least have some trade value (as a throw in, or even just for a later round pick). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: looks like all the main guys were qualified after all. I’m glad. No reason to not qualify any of the players listed. That would have been poor asset management IMO. Even if you don’t want them, I would think guys like Larsson and Girgensons would at least have some trade value (as a throw in, or even just for a later round pick). Good point. Larsson and Girgs have the stink of the tank years all over them. It’s become part of their DNA in Buffalo. Nobody is in need of a fresh start more, so I hope they can be traded. Might say the same about Risto, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 This popped up while I was browsing YouTube and since it’s the 20th anniversary of “no goal” today I thought I’d share it. Still pisses me off hearing the NHL’s explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 Ridiculous that Dahlin came in 3rd in voting (for all the reasons I laid out in my previous post on this subject). Binnington played 30 regular season games FFS (Calder voting is conducted at the end of the regular season). Really disappointed with the PHWA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Ridiculous that Dahlin came in 3rd in voting (for all the reasons I laid out in my previous post on this subject). Binnington played 30 regular season games FFS (Calder voting is conducted at the end of the regular season). Really disappointed with the PHWA. I wonder what Crosby thought after he didn’t win the award. This is no big deal and it means very little moving forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, shrader said: I wonder what Crosby thought after he didn’t win the award. This is no big deal and it means very little moving forward. I agree man. I had no issusions that he would win it. I knew it would be Pettersson. I was just pissed when I saw how spewed the voting was. It should have been much, much closer between Dahlin and Pettersson. No way Binnington should have been ahead of him in votes. I know it means nothing though. Plus, Had he won the Calder it would have been a great bargaining chip for his agent on his next deal (not that Dahlin won’t get paid anyway). Really happy for Lehner! not quite as happy for ROR.... ? Edited June 20, 2019 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnC Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 17 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: https://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/penguins-were-not-alone-in-making-a-superior-offer-for-trouba-than-the-rangers-more-buzz/ don’t know how viable this source is. This rumor (re:trouba and the NYR) has been going around today and it looks like this is the source of it. There was a personal backstory as to why Trouba was not going to sign and stay with the Jets. His fiancée has aspirations in the medical field that playing in Winnipeg couldn't fulfill. Both Pittsburg and NY offer opportunities in that field that the Canadian city couldn't. I see him signing a long-term contract with NY. https://thehockeywriters.com/jacob-trouba-fiance-role-new-york-rangers-trade/ There are plenty of reports that there is a lot of interest in Risto in the market. The defenseman that the GM is dangling out there is McCabe. And there are stories that Vancouver might be interested in Bogo. My widely speculative guess is that Risto stays and one of the other defensemen gets moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 The below attached WGR link is a 21 minute segment with Paul Hamilton. There is a lot of musing about trades. Paul was at the Vegas NHL ceremony and talked about Lehner and ROR. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/06-20-paul-hamilton-howard-and-jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, JohnC said: The below attached WGR link is a 21 minute segment with Paul Hamilton. There is a lot of musing about trades. Paul was at the Vegas NHL ceremony and talked about Lehner and ROR. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/06-20-paul-hamilton-howard-and-jeremy Lerhner who? ROR who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 A little salt for all our wounds - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 http://www.sabresprospects.com/2019/06/buffalo-sabres-2019-draft-preview.html Good stuff from Kris Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 hours ago, K-9 said: Lerhner who? ROR who? These are players who recently participated in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, JohnC said: These are players who recently participated in the playoffs. If you say so, I'll take your word for it. 24 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: http://www.sabresprospects.com/2019/06/buffalo-sabres-2019-draft-preview.html Good stuff from Kris Baker. Are we gonna grab Spencer Knight at 31? Will he last that long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: http://www.sabresprospects.com/2019/06/buffalo-sabres-2019-draft-preview.html Good stuff from Kris Baker. I always liked Baker. He is good at concisely describing a prospect's strengths, weaknesses and attributes. He used to be on WGR fairly regularly. I haven't heard him on the station in quite a while. Is he on another station or doing his own podcast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JohnC said: I always liked Baker. He is good at concisely describing a prospect's strengths, weaknesses and attributes. He used to be on WGR fairly regularly. I haven't heard him on the station in quite a while. Is he on another station or doing his own podcast? He writes for The Athletic now, and has done a couple podcasts recently - Here- http://moranalytics.com/ep-121-kris-baker-plus-john-wick-3-movie-review/ and here - It doesn’t seem like he’s been updating his Sabresprospects site much anymore though, which is why I was so excited to see he posted his draft preview there. Edit - btw, re:Baker’s draft preview - I’d be all about drafting Spencer Knight if by some chance he was still on the board at #31. I’ve read in numerous places that some scouts are saying he could be the best US born goaltender ever. Edited June 20, 2019 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: He writes for The Athletic now, and has done a couple podcasts recently - Here- http://moranalytics.com/ep-121-kris-baker-plus-john-wick-3-movie-review/ and here - It doesn’t seem like he’s been updating his Sabresprospects site much anymore though, which is why I was so excited to see he posted his draft preview there. Edit - btw, re:Baker’s draft preview - I’d be all about drafting Spencer Knight if by some chance he was still on the board at #31. I’ve read in numerous places that some scouts are saying he could be the best US born goaltender ever. Thanks. I'll check out the link. From all reports a number of teams are targeting Knight. He should be gone before we make our second first round pick. I'm not sweating out who the Sabres will pick with their first selection. We'll be getting a good prospect regardless who is left on the board. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 Quote 2019 NHL awards ballots from PHWA members 06/20/2019, 8:00am CDT By The PHWA LAS VEGAS — Since 1967, the Professional Hockey Writers Association (PHWA) has voted on six major NHL awards as well as end-of-season All-Star and All-Rookie teams. For the second consecutive year, the PHWA is revealing the ballot of each individual voter in the interest of full transparency. A total of 173 ballots were received. Each individual vote can be viewed at the links below: https://www.thephwa.com/news_article/show/1029866 Dahlin only got ONE 1st place Calder vote (from Bill Hoppe). That’s just crazy. I like that they are releasing the voting ballots. Getting to look over the votes gives you a better idea of the Homer’s and the guys who truly vote unbiased. It also helps show which writers actually know hockey and which don’t... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: Thanks. I'll check out the link. From all reports a number of teams are targeting Knight. He should be gone before we make our second first round pick. I'm not sweating out who the Sabres will pick with their first selection. We'll be getting a good prospect regardless who is left on the board. ? Yeah, I’d be shocked if Knight were still on the board at #31. I don’t see any way he’d make it past Carolina at #28. Both of their starting goaltender are going to hit UFA according to reports, and goaltending has been their Achilles heel for years now. I could even see Florida taking him at #13. And and I feel the same way about pick #7. It would be tough for the Sabres to screw it up this year. You could make a valid argument for any number of players at pick 7. It’s such a toss up this year. That’s why I’ve tried hard not to get too attached to any 1 player. The one guy (in that tier) I wanted least was Cozens, but Kris Baker kind of eased some of my worries and sold me on him a bit more in that draft preview. So unless the Sabres go way off board (which I doubt), I’m (pretty) confident that I’ll be happy with whoever they choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) Man I hope this isn’t true... I think I’d be about done with Botterill if that was the return he got in a Ristolainen trade. Trading our best right handed defenseman for a cap dump and a middle 6 player would be a nightmare. And we’d be solving their cap problems for them on top of it (so they can sign their young stars), while also solving their hole at top 2/4 right hand D. There better be a hell of a plus added to the 2 pieces discussed above... I’d want Cernak or Cirelli. Edited June 20, 2019 by BillsFan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 Callahan’s career is likely over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 That sucks. He was a really good player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Diagnosed by Dr Nick Riviera, I’m sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Mike Morreal was on WGR talking about the draft prospects. This is a 19 min segment. Good stuff. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/6-20-mike-morreale-nhlcom-schopp-bulldog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Callahan’s career is likely over. The only hockey game I've seen at MSG had him scoring the winning goal against the Sabres................I'm like damn, can't you spare your local team a break! Rangers were in first and we were in the playoff race. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I hope they caught in time and he can live out a normal life. Good hockey player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFan4 Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Remember when I said yesterday that I was pretty confident Buffalo couldn’t mess up the #7 pick this year? Well, about that... ? It would have to be at pick #31, or a trade up into the teens/early 20’s. Botterill did mention the possibility of using a player to trade up from pick #31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Remember when I said yesterday that I was pretty confident Buffalo couldn’t mess up the #7 pick this year? Well, about that... ? It would have to be at pick #31, or a trade up into the teens/early 20’s. Botterill did mention the possibility of using a player to trade up from pick #31. I think it was Darren Dreger who speculated that Nylander was being offered around. The selections for us isn't what is so captivating about this draft day gathering. We know the players who will be in the range with our first round pick. It is the deals that are going to be made or formulated in this forum so that in the not to distant future there will be more players shuffling around. According to Dreger Vancouver seems to be the most active team in trade talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 22, 2019 Author Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: I think it was Darren Dreger who speculated that Nylander was being offered around. The selections for us isn't what is so captivating about this draft day gathering. We know the players who will be in the range with our first round pick. It is the deals that are going to be made or formulated in this forum so that in the not to distant future there will be more players shuffling around. According to Dreger Vancouver seems to be the most active team in trade talks. Hearing that Vancouver is very close to trading for Tyson Barrie (right handed top 4 D from Colorado). If they do you can take them out of the Ristolainen sweepstakes. Im fine with that. Rumor is something like Jake Virtanen + 2020 1st (that will probably have protections on it). That’s not nearly enough for me to want to trade Risto. Virtanen has never broke 30pts (iirc 25pts is his career high). He’s whickly approaching bust status. And the 1st is a mystery box. If it ends up in the teens in a weaker 2020 draft, you may not even get a top 6 player out of the deal. If we trade Risto I want a proven asset or a top tier, can’t miss prospect as the main piece. You have to get good NHL players out of the deal. It can’t be a repeat of the ROR trade. Now there’s something to take pride in! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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