TakeYouToTasker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, MPT said: Correct. This is an untenable position for which I have already provided a thread documenting not only electoral meddling, but an actual coup attempt after their meddling failed to produce the result they desired. Please demonstrate that you're an intellectually honest participant by hashing through (there's a lot of material, but then you wanted evidence, and evidence of this sort of thing would have to be massive in scope in order to flesh out the trail). There are primers along the way to help you. If you ask @Deranged Rhino for help, I'm nearly certain he'd be able to provide you to the most updated version of said primer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is an untenable position for which I have already provided a thread documenting not only electoral meddling, but an actual coup attempt after their meddling failed to produce the result they desired. Please demonstrate that you're an intellectually honest participant by hashing through (there's a lot of material, but then you wanted evidence, and evidence of this sort of thing would have to be massive in scope in order to flesh out the trail). There are primers along the way to help you. If you ask @Deranged Rhino for help, I'm nearly certain he'd be able to provide you to the most updated version of said primer.....for a nominal fee. Sorry you missed that last bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Start with the Russian collusion/conspiracy hoax. That whole ordeal was not what you were told. It wasn't about Russians. It wasn't about Trump. It was about a cover up of an illegal spy ring operating out of the DOJ and FBI's most sensitive counterintelligence offices. That isn't conjecture or "conspiracy theory", it's provable: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf If you read that document, which is an official FISC memo released in 2017 by DNI Coats, you'll discover what the past two years have really been about. The history of (not just democrats) illegally spying on political opposition in order to rig multiple elections/votes/policy matters. Note the top paragraph of page 82: "NSA examined all queries using identifiers for "U.S. persons targeted pursuant to Sections 704 and 705(b) of FISA using the [REDACTED] tool in [REDACTED]... from November 1, 2015 to May 1, 2016." Id. at 2-3 (footnote ommitted). Based on that examination, "NSA estimates that approximately eighty-five percent of those queries, representing [REDACTED] queries conducted by approximately [REDACTED] target offices, were not compliant with the applicable minimization procedures." Id. Even so, a non-compliance rate of %85 raises substantial questions about the propiety of using of [REDACTED] to query FISA data. While the government reports that it is unable to provide a reliable estamate of the number of non-compliant queries since 2012, id, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015-April 2016 period coincided with an unusually high error rate." What that paragraph is laying out cuts the heart of what Russia collusion was really all about. The NSA, under then Admiral Mike Rogers (an Obama appointee) discovered that two offices in the DOJ/FBI were making illegal 702 searches on Americans. If you're unaware, 702 searches are the bulk collection programs run on American citizens, it's every email, call, text, draft of an email, and every bit of your meta data which is collected and then sits on NSA servers waiting to be viewed. In order to view that data, the FBI/DOJ/IC needs to acquire a FISA Warrant. What this document is laying out is that 85% of the searches run out of these two departments were illegal because they weren't getting the warrants before searching. Worse, if you look at the top of page 84, you'll notice - between all the redactions - that it wasn't FBI agents or DOJ personnel who were illegally searching these servers. It was private government contractors. One of those being Fusion GPS. There's much, much, much more. Start here (only partial introduction): https://www.scribd.com/document/401394773/Building-a-Monster-Partial-introduction While interesting, this has nothing to do with election fraud. 20 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is an untenable position for which I have already provided a thread documenting not only electoral meddling, but an actual coup attempt after their meddling failed to produce the result they desired. Please demonstrate that you're an intellectually honest participant by hashing through (there's a lot of material, but then you wanted evidence, and evidence of this sort of thing would have to be massive in scope in order to flesh out the trail). There are primers along the way to help you. If you ask @Deranged Rhino for help, I'm nearly certain he'd be able to provide you to the most updated version of said primer. Link to thread, please. Or you could just save me some time and provide one case of Democratic election fraud. I won't hold my breath. Edited March 12, 2019 by MPT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MPT said: While interesting, this has nothing to do with election fraud. yep, nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 sorry this kind of thing goes on hope they get to the truth and do the right thing after an honest attempt to find the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, MPT said: While interesting, this has nothing to do with election fraud. It does if your definition of election fraud includes a sitting President abusing the massive powers of US surveillance to illegally spy on numerous political campaigns in order to control the outcome of an election. (and then after the election, abusing those same tools in order to try to undo the results of said election) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: yep, nothing at all. Illegal wiretaps have no relation to election fraud. Unless you can change a ballot by listening to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, MPT said: Illegal wiretaps have no relation to election fraud. Unless you can change a ballot by listening to it? read above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MPT said: Illegal wiretaps have no relation to election fraud. Unless you can change a ballot by listening to it? This is bigger than changing ballots. It's not just illegal wiretaps - illegal investigations, blackmail, and outright determining the outcome of the primaries. They were spying on Sanders too - and likely worse - as an example. If they had succeeded, which they didn't, they would have overturned the entire election. That does more than just change a ballot, it makes them irrelevant. And that's said without offering any opinion on Trump. Like him or hate him, this is the difference between actually living in a democratic republic, or merely the illusion of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, MPT said: Illegal wiretaps have no relation to election fraud. Unless you can change a ballot by listening to it? 8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is bigger than changing ballots. It's not just illegal wiretaps - illegal investigations, blackmail, and outright determining the outcome of the primaries. They were spying on Sanders too - and likely worse - as an example. If they had succeeded, which they didn't, they would have overturned the entire election. That does more than just change a ballot, it makes them irrelevant. And that's said without offering any opinion on Trump. Like him or hate him, this is the difference between actually living in a democratic republic, or merely the illusion of one. Correct. It invalidates the entire system intentionally, allowing the gilded class to choose monarchs from amongst themselves instead of reporting to democratic republican norms; and undoing the entire liberal premise of self-determination: the concept on which just government and human freedom exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Just so we‘re clear here, you‘re backing the position that Democrats have not tampered with recent elections, and that there is no evidence they have done so? No, he's backing the position that tampering is only changing votes at the polling stations. He's not a serious person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 careful about swinging an accusation of "illegal" wiretapping, tons of wiretapping is fully permitted just because someone is offended doesn't make it illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MPT said: Prove me wrong. Provide evidence of Democrats tampering with an election. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/17/paid-democratic-voter-fraud-ring-uncovered-texas/ Four women are facing felony charges, accused of being part of what Attorney General Ken Paxton’s office called an organized voter fraud ring in Fort Worth. The voter fraud charges involve mail-in ballots sent in ahead of the 2016 primary election in Texas. Paxton’s office said the case targeted elderly voters on the north side of Fort Worth… A grand jury indicted Leticia Sanchez, Leticia Sanchez Tepichin, Maria Solis and Laura Parra on Wednesday. Paxton’s office said the women harvested votes, by filling out applications for mail-in ballots, with forged signatures. Then they would either “assist” the voter with filling out the ballot, or fill it out themselves, and use deception to get the voter to sign the envelope the ballot would be sent back in. The Attorney General’s office has been pursuing this case for two years and it’s a major organized crime situation. Known as “harvesters,” these women were part of a group that has been filling out ballots in the hundreds or even the thousands. While four women have been indicted on sixteen counts thus far, the AG is saying that there are more people involved and a lot more incidents. These are just the ones they feel confident they can get convictions on for the time being. Recommended Recommended Edited March 13, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 2/21/2019 at 3:24 PM, The_Dude said: Whenever I read Tiberius’ nonsense I read it in Cleveland’s voice from Family Guy. I can’t be the only one? Charlie Brown's teacher, for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Charlie Brown's teacher, for me. Again, for me...Marcel Marceau. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Again, for me...Marcel Marceau. There is zero chance he knows who that was, or why it's funny. That makes it more funny. Edited March 13, 2019 by Golden Goat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Golden Goat said: Charlie Brown's teacher, for me. 8 hours ago, DC Tom said: Again, for me...Marcel Marceau. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 12 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/17/paid-democratic-voter-fraud-ring-uncovered-texas/ Four women are facing felony charges, accused of being part of what Attorney General Ken Paxton’s office called an organized voter fraud ring in Fort Worth. The voter fraud charges involve mail-in ballots sent in ahead of the 2016 primary election in Texas. Paxton’s office said the case targeted elderly voters on the north side of Fort Worth… A grand jury indicted Leticia Sanchez, Leticia Sanchez Tepichin, Maria Solis and Laura Parra on Wednesday. Paxton’s office said the women harvested votes, by filling out applications for mail-in ballots, with forged signatures. Then they would either “assist” the voter with filling out the ballot, or fill it out themselves, and use deception to get the voter to sign the envelope the ballot would be sent back in. The Attorney General’s office has been pursuing this case for two years and it’s a major organized crime situation. Known as “harvesters,” these women were part of a group that has been filling out ballots in the hundreds or even the thousands. While four women have been indicted on sixteen counts thus far, the AG is saying that there are more people involved and a lot more incidents. These are just the ones they feel confident they can get convictions on for the time being. Recommended Recommended Four votes? Ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Four votes? Ok! Gleeful Gator, demonstrating his total lack of reading comprehension. Edited March 13, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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