Hebert19 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 We drafted 2 in first round. Edmund's and Allen likely have the highest ceilings of anyone in this draft. So when you grab guys like that what is one word you would use to describe how you should treat them. To me...its patience. You drafted these guys not because of what they will be day 1 but because of what they could become. My point. Get over allen and Edmunds. If you thought they were year 1 rock stars then you dont understand the NFL or the draft. You draft guys like this because they have the potential to be the best players at their position for a long time. It's rare they recognize this in year 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Macaffery (spelling, sorry) in Carolina really comes to mind as a high ceiling player. Great coming in, but what a year he is having in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Ceiling is one of the dumbest terms in sports and it makes teams make stupid picks. Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: Macaffery (spelling, sorry) in Carolina really comes to mind as a high ceiling player. Great coming in, but what a year he is having in 2018. I thought he was one of the safest picks in his draft and I had no worries about him reaching his ceiling. He should have won the Heisman in college. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Ceiling is one of the dumbest terms in sports and it makes teams make stupid picks. I thought he was one of the safest picks in his draft and I had no worries about him reaching his ceiling. He should have won the Heisman in college. Many true statements in your post, CB, and on top of that the kid's team imploded and he is still having an amazing season. Edited December 24, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: Many true statements in your post, CB, and on top of that the kids team imploded and he is still having an amazing season. He killed me in the fantasy playoffs. LOUD NOISES!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: We drafted 2 in first round. Edmund's and Allen likely have the highest ceilings of anyone in this draft. So when you grab guys like that what is one word you would use to describe how you should treat them. To me...its patience. You drafted these guys not because of what they will be day 1 but because of what they could become. My point. Get over allen and Edmunds. If you thought they were year 1 rock stars then you dont understand the NFL or the draft. You draft guys like this because they have the potential to be the best players at their position for a long time. It's rare they recognize this in year 1... People on message boards have a burning desire to show that they are smarter than everybody else so the need to belittle and to proclaim will always be there (here). If people really had an ability to assess information and lead people they would not be found on a message board all hours of the day seven days a week. These same people are most likely thankful that their profiles that they give of having six figure paychecks, large expensive homes, and hot wives/girlfriends can not be readily challenged by their fellow board members due to the buffer zone given of the net versus the man cave where these keyboard GM's and coaches reside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) I thought both Allen and Edmunds had their moments, you can tell the future will be bright in both areas, at least that's what it looks like in my eyes, I know some on here are doom and gloom no matter what. Edited December 24, 2018 by BuffaloBillsGospel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 A lazier term is “sophomore jinx” which occurs when opponents in a QBs second year actually watch the tape and sift him mercilessly. in his rookie year maybe 2 teams will do that to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 You can't have a sophomore jinx if you don't have a freshmen blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) Allen gets 2019 to show it. Sorry, but the NFL is fast moving and if the Bills want to sit at the Big Boy Table then they need to start to hold their own franchise to standards/Expectations/Accomplishments of the other teams around the league. Year 2 Carson Wentz - NFL MVP Candidate. 33 TDs/7Ints. 11-2 Record NFC EAST champs Jared Goff - 28 TDs from 5 as rookie. 11-4 Record NFC West Champs Mitchell Trubisky - 10-3 Record...24TDs from 7 as a Rookie NFC North Champs Patrick Mahomes -NFL MVP candidate. 48 TDs. 11-4 Record. Same goes for Coach McDermott. Sub-.500 Coach entering his 3rd Season. Use cap space and draft and take a BIG jump in 2019. time is running out. Edited December 24, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Allen gets 2019 to show it. Sorry, but the NFL is fast moving and if the Bills want to sit at the Big Boy Table then they need to start to hold their own franchise to standards/Expectations/Accomplishments of the other teams around the league. Year 2 Carson Wentz - NFL MVP Candidate. 33 TDs/7Ints. 11-2 Record NFC EAST champs Jared Goff - 28 TDs from from 5 as rookie. 11-4 Record NFC West Champs Mitchell Trubisky - 10-3 Record...24TDs to 7 as a Rookie NFC North Champs Patrick Mahomes -NFL MVP candidate. 48 TDs. 11-4 Record. The NFL is not going to sit there and do nothing and let the Bills get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, LSHMEAB said: You can't have a sophomore jinx if you don't have a freshmen blessing. Freshmen blessing sounds better than the Freshmen Fifteen. The soft serve machine took out a lot of young fit bodies. ? 1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Allen gets 2019 to show it. Sorry, but the NFL is fast moving and if the Bills want to sit at the Big Boy Table then they need to start to hold their own franchise to standards/Expectations/Accomplishments of the other teams around the league. Year 2 Carson Wentz - NFL MVP Candidate. 33 TDs/7Ints. 11-2 Record NFC EAST champs Jared Goff - 28 TDs from from 5 as rookie. 11-4 Record NFC West Champs Mitchell Trubisky - 10-3 Record...24TDs to 7 as a Rookie NFC North Champs Patrick Mahomes -NFL MVP candidate. 48 TDs. 11-4 Record. Even though all of those guys have proven offensive coaches, I feel great that Allen has McDermott and Daboll. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I have never heard of a freshman blessing all I got was “you are just a dumb ****ing frosh!!!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Freshmen blessing sounds better than the Freshmen Fifteen. The soft serve machine took out a lot of young fit bodies. ? I was referring to my quarterback. I know I'm not a "real fan" because I have doubts, but I'll still chime in. When I hear sophomore jinx, I think of all the excuses to come if things don't go according to plan. It seems as though recognition is the main problem as it pertains to both Edmunds and Allen and that is probably a common issue among "high ceiling" draft picks. It will either click or it won't. There's no way to know for sure one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Sometimes I wonder if people are happier if the possibility is there to criticize versus enjoying an achievement. I honestly believe that there are people here that would be happier if the team was failing next year versus succeeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, LSHMEAB said: I was referring to my quarterback. I know I'm not a "real fan" because I have doubts, but I'll still chime in. When I hear sophomore jinx, I think of all the excuses to come if things don't go according to plan. It seems as though recognition is the main problem as it pertains to both Edmunds and Allen and that is probably a common issue among "high ceiling" draft picks. It will either click or it won't. There's no way to know for sure one way or the other. But it’s nice to have grounds to believe we have something for the future at QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Freshmen blessing sounds better than the Freshmen Fifteen. The soft serve machine took out a lot of young fit bodies. ? Even though all of those guys have proven offensive coaches, I feel great that Allen has McDermott and Daboll. ? I had my own thread in the beginning of the season on this board questioning exactly that. what would teams with High Drafted Rookie QBs do that were saddled with Defensive Minded Head Coaches? The trend had been that in order to SAVE the young QB a OffensivevMinded HC needed to be brought in. With Rams and Bears as prime examples. I figured the Browns and Jets were show ins to try for it. Didn’t think Arizona would do it (although looks like they got smart) and Buffalo never moves fast on these things so I immediately elimated them from trying it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: But it’s nice to have grounds to believe we have something for the future at QB There's no doubt he's got a chance. He's got all the talent in the world. If he's able to scan the entire field, it's entirely possible he can be special. I think "accuracy" is not the main problem as it pertains to completion percentage; it's awareness. He locks on to his primary read too often and doesn't see the 2nd/3rd options as he either fires or takes off out of the pocket. The kid works extremely hard and I fully expect him to spend the offseason focusing on progressions. The one thing I can't do as a human being is pretend that I don't notice these things. Yes, I notice that our receivers are bad and that the OL is below average. But Josh has a lot of work ahead of him if he's going to reach that nebulous ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 We associate ceiling with risk. Nah.. high ceiling players don't always need to have us praying on them panning out. LVE has a higher ceiling than Edmunds because of why shouldn't he right now? LVE has a better chance of improving than Edmunds does a chance at playing probowl caliber LBing in a year or 2. Being young makes him more risky, doesn't automatically make his ceiling higher than other guys that weren't in the NFL at his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Why is the fact that 2018 is a transition year lost on the "sky is falling, fire everyone" posters? The struggles we have experienced were expected. Let's wait until this time next year to tear down this regime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I had my own thread in the beginning of the season on this board questioning exactly that. what would teams with High Drafted Rookie QBs do that were saddled with Defensive Minded Head Coaches? The trend had been that in order to SAVE the young QB a OffensivevMinded HC needed to be brought in. With Rams and Bears as prime examples. I figured the Browns and Jets were show ins to try for it. Didn’t think Arizona would do it (although looks like they got smart) and Buffalo never moves fast on these things so I immediately elimated them from trying it. Yup. I didn’t like Allen as a prospect going into the draft but if Reid or McVay picked him, I’d be on board. He is a super risky pick especially given this coaching staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: Why is the fact that 2018 is a transition year lost on the "sky is falling, fire everyone" posters? The struggles we have experienced were expected. Let's wait until this time next year to tear down this regime. Yep, 50M plus in dead cap is too much to overcome despite feelings to the contrary by quite a number of posters here. That could amount to 5 above average starters at various positions on a team. Easily several key contributors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: There's no doubt he's got a chance. He's got all the talent in the world. If he's able to scan the entire field, it's entirely possible he can be special. I think "accuracy" is not the main problem as it pertains to completion percentage; it's awareness. He locks on to his primary read too often and doesn't see the 2nd/3rd options as he either fires or takes off out of the pocket. The kid works extremely hard and I fully expect him to spend the offseason focusing on progressions. The one thing I can't do as a human being is pretend that I don't notice these things. Yes, I notice that our receivers are bad and that the OL is below average. But Josh has a lot of work ahead of him if he's going to reach that nebulous ceiling. I had zero hope for JP and EJ and TT its the duty of fans to pick out flaws, even on great teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Sometimes I wonder if people are happier if the possibility is there to criticize versus enjoying an achievement. I honestly believe that there are people here that would be happier if the team was failing next year versus succeeding. Sure would be nice to find out how people would behave in the event the Bills started piling up achievements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Sure would be nice to find out how people would behave in the event the Bills started piling up achievements. Been a long time, I guess 1993 was the last year that happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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