26CornerBlitz Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17years&waiting Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Happy Birthday! As far as retiring his number: he would probably be the next player whose number I would want the Bills to retire. But that would probably be the last one, for now. Number retirement should be few and far between, and only for the very best. Billy probably makes that cut. While the team has, in my opinion, lowered the bar for Wall of Fame enshrinement, jersey retirement has remained very privileged. I hope it remains that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Shaw's number deserves to be retired. He was a critical player on the early teams and a major fan favorite. We could use a few of him now on the OL: tough, consistent, reliable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Thanks for the old guard bills players who are forgotten on this message board. We need a veteran message board discussing the bills before Kelly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Thanks for the old guard bills players who are forgotten on this message board. We need a veteran message board discussing the bills before Kelly. There are still plenty of us here, reigning in the pups. 21 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Shaw's number deserves to be retired. He was a critical player on the early teams and a major fan favorite. We could use a few of him now on the OL: tough, consistent, reliable. He played in our very 1st game in ‘60 and throughout our AFL days. But Sestak was the better player of those teams. Butch Byrd STILL holds the record for most interceptions. I’ve never seen another Conerback remotely look like him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) ...cement mixin' Billy.......took time off from that regular job to play ball for the Bills at a WHOPPING $18 grand a year.......beer and a butt at his locker post game LOL.......season is over and back to real work......had to wait for retirement until 66 for FULL Social Security because his NFL pension was HUGE (COUGH)....good show Shaw..... Edited December 15, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I’ve been saying to everybody about butch. He should be on the damn wall out there. My gosh look at his stats. I come to bat for him on this message board all the time. Bills have forgotten about him. Sad. Chandler 81, nobody here talks hardly about the pre Kelly days. I used to go to the rockpile and was on the sidelines for the very last game versus the lions. Robert L. smith was my neighbor who was on the sidelines all the time was the bills chief photographer who got me on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: There are still plenty of us here, reigning in the pups. He played in our very 1st game in ‘60 and throughout our AFL days. But Sestak was the better player of those teams. Butch Byrd STILL holds the record for most interceptions. I’ve never seen another Conerback remotely look like him. Helluva Punt Returner too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Forget about the bIlls from the Kelly era and forward, ole 42 should be on the wall. The problem is nobody would know who the heck he is if they were to announce him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Helluva Punt Returner too. ....ah the nostalgic word "PUNT"...hard to deny that Paul McGuire was the best in the business and a physical specimen bar NONE...the good 'ol days.... Edited December 15, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....ah the nostalgic word "PUNT"...hard to deny that Paul McGuire was the best in the business and a physical specimen beyond NONE...the good 'ol days.... He drank Budweiser by the cases. Lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: He drank Budweiser by the cases. Lol ...but the can had a "SLIMFAST" label?...who knew?...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Butch Byrd STILL holds the record for most interceptions. I’ve never seen another Conerback remotely look like him. That's because nobody ever threw to the receiver Robert James was covering. Ever. Billy Shaw reportedly lost over an inch in height based on blocking. The only guy that owned Ernie Ladd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: That's because nobody ever threw to the receiver Robert James was covering. Ever. Billy Shaw reportedly lost over an inch in height based on blocking. The only guy that owned Ernie Ladd. The injury that ended his career was rather unfortunate. He was so good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I love when you old timers remind us of the studs from the 60’s for the Bills. I’ve only watched since 73, but read about these guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I've been following them since '63, my first game, and that includes being a ball boy for two short weeks, and being a friend of an usher during the War Memorial Stadium times and watching them practice. If someone asked me to name the most dominant three since; players who were so much better that they demanded staying away from, or dealing with...... OJ.....He was on a different planet. Robert James.....Simply idiotic to ever throw at his coverage, and nobody did. Bruce Smith....Never has one man been blocked by so many for so long. Impossible to handle one on one, when he was interested. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, sherpa said: That's because nobody ever threw to the receiver Robert James was covering. Ever. Billy Shaw reportedly lost over an inch in height based on blocking. The only guy that owned Ernie Ladd. I think they played one season together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, klos63 said: I think they played one season together. Yep. Butch’s counterpart was Booker Edgerson for most of his career. 58 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: I’ve been saying to everybody about butch. He should be on the damn wall out there. My gosh look at his stats. I come to bat for him on this message board all the time. Bills have forgotten about him. Sad. Chandler 81, nobody here talks hardly about the pre Kelly days. I used to go to the rockpile and was on the sidelines for the very last game versus the lions. Robert L. smith was my neighbor who was on the sidelines all the time was the bills chief photographer who got me on the field. Many of us mention the original era. I guess you have to read more threads.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Not only a HOF guard but a great team mate and member of the community; he played in an era when players lived in our neighborhoods and shopped at the same grocery stores; Marty Schottenheimer played cards at the same tavern as my father. More importantly, Billy Shaw was an AFL loyalist; as Angie's bumper sticker states "NEVER FOR THE AFL." Great post and thanks! 1 minute ago, vorpma said: Not only a HOF guard but a great team mate and member of the community; he played in an era when players lived in our neighborhoods and shopped at the same grocery stores; Marty Schottenheimer played cards at the same tavern as my father. More importantly, Billy Shaw was an AFL loyalist; as Angie's bumper sticker states "NEVER FOR THE AFL." Great post and thanks! Sorry - NEVER FORGET THE AFL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: There are still plenty of us here, reigning in the pups. He played in our very 1st game in ‘60 and throughout our AFL days. But Sestak was the better player of those teams. Butch Byrd STILL holds the record for most interceptions. I’ve never seen another Conerback remotely look like him. I always liked Sestak, but was told one day that the reason he starred was because Jim Dunaway was double-teamed on more or less every play. Those were some good football players, and Shaw too. I'm proud to keep his name on display. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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