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12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

This could get interesting...

 

 


People have been saying "brokered convention" for a while now, some, hopefully {waves hand wildly! ?}, some in horror.  If Bernie can pay-off the super-delegates, things will get interesting.  However, just recalling what happened to the super-delegates when the Obama people threatened them, I am not sure Bernie has that kind of party-power, although the Bernie Bros can be a nasty lot.  IMO, he'd have to win it on delegates before the convention.  We will know in about a month if it is possible.

A 2020 DNC refresher:

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In 2020, there will be 4,750 delegates: 3,979 pledged delegates and 771 automatic delegates—more commonly known as superdelegates.
 

To win the Democratic nomination, a presidential candidate must receive support from a majority of the pledged delegates on the first ballot: 1,991 pledged delegates.If the convention is contested and goes to a second ballot or more, automatic delegates will be able to vote and a candidate must receive majority support from all delegates: more than 2,375 votes. Roughly two-thirds of the delegates will have been allocated by the end of March 2020.

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10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

I dislike Mini Mike but at least he's trying to buy the election with his money while Bernie is trying to buy it with taxpayer's money. 

 

...well, just consider it an "advance"...because IF elected, he gets every damn cent anyhow......how 'bout an "all Vermont" administration?......President Sanders and VP Howard Dean?........

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14 hours ago, section122 said:

 

Speaking to reporters in Bakersfield, California, Friday afternoon, Sanders confirmed that his campaign was briefed about the Kremlin's efforts about a month ago and condemned Russia's attempts to interfere in US elections.
"It was not clear what role they're going to play. We were told that Russia, maybe other countries, are going to get involved in this campaign, and look, here's the message to Russia: stay out of American elections," Sanders said.
"And what they are doing, by the way, the ugly thing that they are doing, and I've seen some of their tweets and stuff, is they try to divide us up. That's what they did in 2016 and that is the ugliest thing they are doing -- is they are trying to cause chaos, they are trying to cause hatred in America."

 

What a terrible guy.  I repeat:

 

here's the message to Russia: stay out of American elections," Sanders said. "And what they are doing, by the way, the ugly thing that they are doing, and I've seen some of their tweets and stuff, is they try to divide us up. That's what they did in 2016 and that is the ugliest thing they are doing -- is they are trying to cause chaos, they are trying to cause hatred in America."

 

What more can the guy say?  I think delicious schadenfreude would be watching this place melt down over "Russian interference" for the next 4 years if Sanders wins.  The way so many of you are scared of the "commie" reeks of TDS.  I urge all of you to take just one step back and breathe.  You must all be sick of Trump is the worst ever and will be the destruction of America!! yet here so many of you are ready to proclaim the same for Sanders.

 

edit: also what's with the editorializing?  I see nothing about "releasing the hounds" he lets off a sarcastic they are great friends talking about the WaPo and that is it.

He doesn’t have to say anymore than he’s already said, and he’s said a lot. There is no need to step back, to take a breath, take a view from 30,000 feet or to get out if the weeds. 
 

The part about this demagogue yapping about “chaos and hatred in America” is priceless.  His entire campaign is based on hatred and rage against a system, ironically a system which has brought him incredible personal power and financial prosperity.  
 

 

 

 

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ID BILLs FAN stupid is your low life blather above pretending Socialist Sanders will have a 600 delegates lead and still fail a majority vote in Milwaukee..... @HowieHawkins20 WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs USMC vet has 5 decades experience as an EcoSocialist protector of earth and human rights.....reprogramming 75% of existing military money building Green infrastructure and National Health Service ends illegal wars in 160 countries grows a lawful economy and reduces pollution 99% replacing polluters technologies with Green power.  Sanders is a zionist bankster who failed to help Conyers Kucinich HR 676 not for profit healthcare 2004 daily and today....F35s fly out of Vermont one billion each because of liar racist Bernie dude.... you suck stupid falling for fake Presidential leadership...learn to read the Congressional Record CSPAN and real news ....I am ashamed you call yourself a BILLs fan ....NV & SC added to IA&NH delegates levels have zero names attached..... counting chicks before eggs hatch is proof of your incompetence to motivate voters for USA 

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2 hours ago, Nanker said:

 

 

....gotta be something in that Vermont water......want this clown as your physician?.....wasn't he the Dr. Howard from the Three Stooges "Dr Howard....Dr Fine....Dr Howard"??.............

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He is copying your style of posting................only yours is coherent.........?

 

 

8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....for how many years has the battle cry been, "we need a Washington outsider to clean up the mess"?......and for how many years did entrenched politicians try to fraudulently run as THE Washington outsider most qualified?...thus the armored shield of the "Good Old Boyz Network" remained intact......until NOW.....Trump is a true Washington outsider and the armor has been breached......do I like his business practices?...nope....is he obnoxious, abrasive, abusive, caustic, arrogant et al?...yup.....is THAT what Washington needed?.. damn right IMO....and the "network" is reeling from the "breach", in full retreat....so is MAGA a ruse?.....of course...he was SOLELY after free digs at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, wealth pursuit, free jet travel, book deal, his very own library as well as the HUGE salary...how about "draining the swamp"?.....FBI, CIA, DOJ, etc corrupt?......an orchestrated political coup?.....blasphemy!....this could never happen in the "world's greatest democracy" that we've pedaled globally for years......IMPOSSIBLE....so cleaning up "our own damn house" is underway, FINALLY....

 

2 hours ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

ID BILLs FAN stupid is your low life blather above pretending Socialist Sanders will have a 600 delegates lead and still fail a majority vote in Milwaukee..... @HowieHawkins20 WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs USMC vet has 5 decades experience as an EcoSocialist protector of earth and human rights.....reprogramming 75% of existing military money building Green infrastructure and National Health Service ends illegal wars in 160 countries grows a lawful economy and reduces pollution 99% replacing polluters technologies with Green power.  Sanders is a zionist bankster who failed to help Conyers Kucinich HR 676 not for profit healthcare 2004 daily and today....F35s fly out of Vermont one billion each because of liar racist Bernie dude.... you suck stupid falling for fake Presidential leadership...learn to read the Congressional Record CSPAN and real news ....I am ashamed you call yourself a BILLs fan ....NV & SC added to IA&NH delegates levels have zero names attached..... counting chicks before eggs hatch is proof of your incompetence to motivate voters for USA 

 

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3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

He is copying your style of posting................only yours is coherent.........?

 

 

 

 

 

 

...LMAO...my style is actually MORSE CODE for those inclined here that I respect (club secrecy)....:D...he's actually Q-Baby returneth IMO.........

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3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

He doesn’t have to say anymore than he’s already said, and he’s said a lot. There is no need to step back, to take a breath, take a view from 30,000 feet or to get out if the weeds. 
 

The part about this demagogue yapping about “chaos and hatred in America” is priceless.  His entire campaign is based on hatred and rage against a system, ironically a system which has brought him incredible personal power and financial prosperity.  

 

Re: the bolded -- 

 

That's the catch with socialism/communism/progfascism -- those systems require an adversary. There needs to be an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in play at all times or the entire system collapses. That's what the younger voters who are enamored with "socialism!" don't yet see. There is no ending the struggle of the working people under socialism, they need to exacerbate it in order to keep their power. 

 

It's a trick, designed to enslave not free people. 

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13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Re: the bolded -- 

 

That's the catch with socialism/communism/progfascism -- those systems require an adversary. There needs to be an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in play at all times or the entire system collapses. That's what the younger voters who are enamored with "socialism!" don't yet see. There is no ending the struggle of the working people under socialism, they need to exacerbate it in order to keep their power. 

 

It's a trick, designed to enslave not free people. 

 

...isn't the "freebee glamour of socialism" ALL that they see?.......handouts galore, student loan elimination et al are glossy and NOT their concern as to how or who pays for it....."all I know is I got mine" is the enticing mantra......don't know about you folks, but my Federal and NYS tax tab is obscene....and I'm sick of funding the "parasitic urinal".....those "willing and able" have ZERO drive or initiative to do so with this Sanders wack job....

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12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Re: the bolded -- 

 

That's the catch with socialism/communism/progfascism -- those systems require an adversary. There needs to be an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in play at all times or the entire system collapses. That's what the younger voters who are enamored with "socialism!" don't yet see. There is no ending the struggle of the working people under socialism, they need to exacerbate it in order to keep their power. 

 

It's a trick, designed to enslave not free people. 

One more point, certainly understood by most on this board. It's easy for people to rage against a "system", but by system, I actually mean "people". Hatred, division, and aggression against those who do not kneel at Greta's infamous wall must, by extension, be marginalized, beaten into submission or worse.  

 

Sanders needs his people to rage against people, and just moves the goalposts as necessary. Btw the jamoke who pointed out snopes review of the Sanders 52% tax plan missed the pointing about Sanders banging those at 250,000k + at 40% or higher.  Sure, it makes perfect sense to become successful, invest in yourself and you dreams to earn $300k and work until April 23 for the feds skim before you're free of that debt, at which time you can consider the obligation to your state govt for another 30 days or so and by maybe mid-June start putting something aside for yourself.

 

 

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