Anyone ever consider bringing in Doug Whaley JUST to scout pro personnel?

[vorpma]

21 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

The McCoy trade, signing zac brown, the obvious Hughes trade. 

Preston brown was a good draft pick and also Darby.. Not sure if we blame EJ on him, but same year woods, goodwin, Hopkins, Alonso, all starters on their teams now

Signing incognito, manny Lawson, nickel roby (udfa) 

 

No matter how you spin it, the guy made bold moves. We know of the misses but seriously how can you not say he went out and built good rosters? 

If you pair decent quarterback play with those teams they are playoffs easily. Kyle friggen Orton almost had them in the playoffs. 

Let’s not forget he built rosters for 2 coaches with complete different schemes. 

Went through a weird transition of a new owner. 

I totally get the negatives about him, but the guy made moves and acquired talent. 

As for not having a GM job right now, most guys take time off after being let go, and resurface later. 

And I’m not sure what his current job is but it wasn’t a crap job maybe he makes decent money at that and has more free time.

to call the guy a bad gm or garbage is silly. 

Nobody succeeds without a hit on a quarterback. That was his failure. But many fail there’s only so many franchise quarterbacks around to acquire 

Just not sold, we had superstars in the past and still really bad football teams! Like I stated earlier, he had problems with Head Coaches and he never fielded a playoff contender. If he had potential he would be working this minute; most quality GMs receive job offers immediately upon being out of a contract, it's the NFL - everyone wants quality. I stand by my prediction, he will never work as a GM or Head Scout again.

[DC Tom]

Came here looking for a morinic Mahomes take.  And I am very disappointed.  You idiots are too idiotic to even idiot properly.

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, vorpma said:

Just not sold, we had superstars in the past and still really bad football teams! Like I stated earlier, he had problems with Head Coaches and he never fielded a playoff contender. If he had potential he would be working this minute; most quality GMs receive job offers immediately upon being out of a contract, it's the NFL - everyone wants quality. I stand by my prediction, he will never work as a GM or Head Scout again.

He's holding out for the Pats job once Belichick finally retires.

[Bill_with_it]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

He's holding out for the Pats job once Belichick finally retires.

Rico your pretty funny.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha okay bro.

We aren’t going to count them? 

 

I will take Lorenzo Alexander (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) & Richie Incignito (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) then. If you really think that Beane has been better on pro players than Whaley was you are an idiot. Whaley was ELITE in that area.

[vorpma]

38 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

Rico your pretty funny.

Hmmm, I don't think so Rico, Doug Whaley will have to buy a ticket to get back in the NFL! Love your loyalty!

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

To be honest that list isn't ELITE like you were going on about earlier. Hughes was a really good trade but over the 4 or 5 years he was GM I'm not sure that list is special.

You find a GM, and you can take the entire league, that got the bang for the buck on the pro side that he did. I promise that you don’t want to go down that road because he was masterful in that area. I didn’t even mention Kiko for Shady. He is, and has been, a wizard on the pro personnel side.

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We aren’t going to count them? 

 

I will take Lorenzo Alexander (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) & Richie Incignito (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) then. If you really think that Beane has been better on pro players than Whaley was you are an idiot. Whaley was ELITE in that area.

Of course you're not going to count Poyer or Hyde, he or his staff had nothing to do with either of them.

[Bill_with_it]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

Of course you're not going to count Poyer or Hyde, he or his staff had nothing to do with either of them.

Ecactly just as hughes was nix.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Rico said:

Of course you're not going to count Poyer or Hyde, he or his staff had nothing to do with either of them.

Okay, he was 100% in control in March of that year. He held the job into May. If you don’t want to count them because you hate Whaley (which you’ve made clear a lot) I’ll take Shady, Alexander and Richie. Please, please, please try to stack Beane’s pro personnel record side-by-side. 

 

You can own Jordan Matthews and Kelvin Benjamin.

Edited October 7, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Rico]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Okay, he was 100% in control in March of that year. He held the job into May. If you don’t want to count them because you hate Whaley (which you’ve made clear a lot) I’ll take Shady, Alexander on Richie. Please, please, please try to stack Beane’s pro personnel record side-by-side. 

No, I don't want to count them because he had nothing to do with either of them. Hyde was McD, and Poyer was McD (w/ Bobby Babich). He can have the gift of Shady and Alexander, I have no problem with that

[BillsfaninChicago]

9 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I know you’ve got one heck of a hangover to suffer through this morning—my condolences ?! That said, I won’t argue over the low bar that is “drought GM’s” and their rankings—I will commit that he was better than his immediate predecessor Nix

You are not wrong I was hungover this morning! I also do agree there is definitely a low bar with drought GMs.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Rico said:

No, I don't want to count them because he had nothing to do with either of them. Hyde was McD, and Poyer was McD (w/ Bobby Babich). He can have the gift of Shady and Alexander, I have no problem with that

You can give 0% credit to the GM if it helps your agenda. That’s not reality though. He absolutely was in on those 2. Beane can have Matthews, Benjamin, Philly Brown, Duccase, Leonard Johnson....

 

The pro records between the 2 isn’t even up for debate. There is no comparison on the pro side. Now I like how Beane has navigated the draft and think that he’s drafted alright (assuming Allen can play). We aren’t taking about the draft though. We are discussing pro personnel.

Edited October 7, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Beane can have Matthews, Benjamin, Philly Brown, Duccase, Leonard Johnson....

 

The pro records between the 2 isn’t even up for debate. There is no comparison on the pro side. Now I like how Beane has navigated the draft and think that he’s drafted alright (assuming Allen can play). We aren’t taking about the draft though. We are discussing pro personnel.

The verdict isn't in though on all of Beane's moves, unlike Whaley who we all know was an all around FAILURE.

[BringBackOrton]

51 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We aren’t going to count them? 

 

I will take Lorenzo Alexander (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) & Richie Incignito (Pro Bowl on a minimal salary) then. If you really think that Beane has been better on pro players than Whaley was you are an idiot. Whaley was ELITE in that area.

We aren't going to count the guys that McDermott said he personally watched and scouted?  No, we aren't.  LOL.

[Kirby Jackson]

24 minutes ago, Rico said:

The verdict isn't in though on all of Beane's moves, unlike Whaley who we all know was an all around FAILURE.

Clearly he wasn’t an all-around failure. I listed like 5 moves that were pro bowl caliber players on minimal salaries. Whaley excelled on the pro side. Again, you hate him but you are dead wrong if you can’t admit the success that he had there. The Bills got guys, for very little, that provided big contributions. 

 

The book hasn’t been written on Beane but the first few chapters aren’t very good. This is one of the least talented Bills teams that over ever seen. They did try to clear the deck though so we will know more next year. The early returns on the pro side though have not been good at all.

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

We aren't going to count the guys that McDermott said he personally watched and scouted?  No, we aren't.  LOL.

Can you share that quote? I hadn’t seen it. 

[Bill_with_it]

Man i remember those awesome percy harvin and matt cassell signings those were fantastic, couple that with that marcell extension and all the sweet draftings well then what have you got? A guy that will never be a gm again.

[BringBackOrton]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Clearly he wasn’t an all-around failure. I listed like 5 moves that were pro bowl caliber players on minimal salaries. Whaley excelled on the pro side. Again, you hate him but you are dead wrong if you can’t admit the success that he had there. The Bills got guys, for very little, that provided big contributions. 

 

The book hasn’t been written on Beane but the first few chapters aren’t very good. This is one of the least talented Bills teams that over ever seen. They did try to clear the deck though so we will know more next year. The early returns on the pro side though have not been good at all.

Can you share that quote? I hadn’t seen it. 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/12/how_did_buffalo_bills_land_micah_hyde_in_free_agency_ask_the_green_bay_packers.html

 

But while McDermott was the defensive coordinator for the Carolina Panthers, he had spent plenty of time "T.V. scouting" Hyde whenever he had a chance. He saw a player who could play all over the field, and the two have a mutual friend, so he knew the type of person and leader Hyde could be. So when his first free agency with the Bills rolled around, McDermott put on the tape to see if it would match up with what he'd seen on television. 

"The weird part about it is when I TV scouted him I couldn't get a real feel for what he was until you turn the tape on and see, 'Could he be a full time safety for us?'" McDermott said. 

McDermott and the Bills signed Hyde to a five-year, $32.5 million contract with $14 million in guarantees on the first day of free agency.

[Rad Likes The Bills]

Just now, Bill_with_it said:

Man i remember those awesome percy harvin and matt cassell signings those were fantastic, couple that with that marcell extension and all the sweet draftings well then what have you got? A guy that will never be a gm again.

Lol are you seriously saying Percy Harvin at 1 year 4 mill wasn’t worth the investment at the time? Not like we had him on a huge contract and he flipped Cassell for a 7th when it was clear he wasn’t the starter.. idk why those would be held against him 

[BringBackOrton]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Clearly he wasn’t an all-around failure. I listed like 5 moves that were pro bowl caliber players on minimal salaries. Whaley excelled on the pro side. Again, you hate him but you are dead wrong if you can’t admit the success that he had there. The Bills got guys, for very little, that provided big contributions. 

 

The book hasn’t been written on Beane but the first few chapters aren’t very good. This is one of the least talented Bills teams that over ever seen. They did try to clear the deck though so we will know more next year. The early returns on the pro side though have not been good at all.

Can you share that quote? I hadn’t seen it. 

I think we can all admit dumpster diving was a bright spot in the Whaley era.  The issue is for me, is that those good couple of FA pickups are what saves Whaley from being a terrible GM and instead just mediocre to bad.