TPS Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 The point I was responding to is that socialism impoverishes countries. Are they poor? Are the many countries with universal healthcare and higher tax rates than the US poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, TPS said: The point I was responding to is that socialism impoverishes countries. Are they poor? Are the many countries with universal healthcare and higher tax rates than the US poor? Q: Are any of them heterogeneous nations of 300 milliion-plus people that already have a national debt in the trillions of dollars? Maybe socialism won't impoverish them. It would impoverish us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 52 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Which is why you can't socialize demand and leave the supply free-market. If you do, costs skyrocket beyond what your socialized "insurance" can pay. You can't manage only half the equation. Would you describe current supply as free market? to your point, like any market, you can’t create a ****-load of demand without consequences. I’m sure a system could be designed to phase it in over time. One example being pushed is to expand Medicare, lowering the eligible age e.g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 i guess LBJ coulda put in a healthcare program, but McNamara's little charts showed how Vietnam was easily winnable the following week, and the one after that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Q: Are any of them heterogeneous nations of 300 milliion-plus people that already have a national debt in the trillions of dollars? Maybe socialism won't impoverish them. It would impoverish us. As I started out with, we choose to spend trillions on endless war and dysfunctional advanced weaponry. We also currently spend more on healthcare than any other advanced country. It’s more a policy choice than a financial choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, TPS said: As I started out with, we choose to spend trillions on endless war and dysfunctional advanced weaponry. We also currently spend more on healthcare than any other advanced country. It’s more a policy choice than a financial choice. And your fellow democrats would have us spend MORE on war and weaponry. Especially against Russia. How does that make you feel? Edited July 19, 2018 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, joesixpack said: And your fellow democrats would have us spend MORE on war and weaponry. Especially against Russia. How does that make you feel? I'm an independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, TPS said: I'm an independent. mhm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TPS said: I'm an independent. I think 'independent' is what liberals call themselves when they aren't quite ready to openly admit they love the DNC's new position of socialism for all. Edited July 19, 2018 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 independent means liberal and can't admit it conservatives say their are so, but they want some level of safety established to admit it saying one is "neutral" is self-delusion, there no "baby's mystical ride on a third wave" out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: independent means liberal and can't admit it conservatives say their are so, but they want some level of safety established to admit it saying one is "neutral" is self-delusion, there no "baby's mystical ride on a third wave" out there I'm independent. I'm certainly not liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'm independent. I'm certainly not liberal. you are conservative.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: you are conservative.... .............Take Cover !! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, B-Man said: .............Take Cover !! . it was high praise!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I think we need a party called The Math Party. This party will simply run on and govern by the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: you are conservative.... You haven't been here long enough. I'm the worlds only Zionist Nazi Communist. 6 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I think we need a party called The Math Party. This party will simply run on and govern by the numbers. I've given serious thought to founding the "Rationality Party." The platform would be "I don't care what you believe, I only care what you can prove." Otherwise open to all, regardless of - or in addition to - other party affiliations. Membership via PGP-style signup: any member may sign up another member, but they are certifying that new member's ability to form and defend an opinion on a rational, fact-based basis. Establishes a rationality certification chain all the way up to the root RCA - in this case, me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I think 'independent' is what liberals call themselves when they aren't quite ready to openly admit they love the DNC's new position of socialism for all. As I started with, had this been a white male, then the DNC would've ignored it. What does "socialism for all" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, TPS said: As I started with, had this been a white male, then the DNC would've ignored it. What does "socialism for all" mean? It means free smart phones for all with dating, rideshare, zuckerface, safe space, UBI and rescue dog apps included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 54 minutes ago, joesixpack said: mhm. As I told you before, the DNC and HRC are not "liberals." Bernie and Ocasio represent the liberal left, which is my territory.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, TPS said: As I told you before, the DNC and HRC are not "liberals." Bernie and Ocasio represent the liberal left, which is my territory.... on that at least we can agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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