Saban's response to Rosen's comments regarding the demands of college football

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

Okay, so let's all give Rosen a round of applause for saying that it's is difficult to manage college football and academics.

 

I didn't see that he offered any insightful solutions or provide any alternative to the status quo, did you?

 

The only we know is that he is bolting from college without earning a degree. 

 

 

Man when you don't like a question, you get extremely dramatic.....or you ignore it.

Now you're criticizing him for not having a degree after 3 years?  Geezus dude.  What's to stop him from completing his degree after he's drafted like several other players have?

There's what...a half dozen players leaving Alabama early without a degree?  They're bolting college without a degree too.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Bill from NYC]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Quiter

and there is a college forum for the Saban sluts to worship him

I don't need to be instructed by You as to where to post on this board but thanks for the effort.

[stinky finger]

On 4/3/2018 at 12:00 PM, jr1 said:

the knives are out 

 

London calling.....

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

A lot of winners up there!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sky Diver]

21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And there we have your motivation in a nutshell.  Rosen demeaned Alabama in your eyes by suggesting their football players don't have the good SAT scores (a contention that posting the overall SAT scores of a 38 thousand enrollment school does nothing to address) and that universities in general, including Alabama, care more about player eligibility than player education.  And you are full-off-salt thereby, and can't lose any opportunity to hash it up.

 

But I believe in you, Sky Diver.  I think you can get over it.  I really do.  You can do it, Big Guy!

 

 

"Universities in general, including Alabama, care more about player eligibility than player education."

 

Bold statement with no proof. Alabama graduated about 84% of it's football players.

 

19 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

You are misquoting him. He is clearly referring to SAT admission standards for the athletes, not the general student population. I am also very confident that he knows that UCLA has quite low SAT standards for its football players too. He named Alabama because they are flat-out the best program in the country. Like UCLA, most (not all) of the guys they recruit are basically knuckle draggers. The same goes for other elite public universities like Michigan and (infamously) UNC. 

 

As for Stanford v. UCLA, Stanford's admissions standards are higher, but it is a fact that UCLA is the second-most difficult public university to get into (based on acceptance rates) in the country after Berkeley. Comparing public and private universities is an apples-and-oranges exercise in any case; they serve different functions.  As an institution overall, UCLA is pretty much always ranked in the top 15 universities globally. Stanford is higher, but it's not as if there's a huge gap. As for comparing their football teams over the long haul, UCLA's record is infinitely better than Stanford's. Stanford has, however, been a lot better in the last decade or so. UCLA had a lot of bad coaches of late despite constantly bringing in talent.

 

Finally, football is a team game. UCLA's defense this year was historically awful. Jalen Hurts, who sucks, had a very good won-loss record if you believe in that sort of thing. I don't.

 

Most football players are "knuckle draggers"? Wow! Alabama graduates about 84% of it's football players. 100% earned their degrees over 7 years. Some graduate in less than 4 years and some graduate with their Master's degrees.

 

Can you make a list for me of the knuckle draggers on the Alabama roster?

 

http://www.rolltide.com/roster.aspx?path=football

 

 

 

Edited April 11, 2018 by Sky Diver

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

"Universities in general, including Alabama, care more about player eligibility than player education."

 

Bold statement with no proof. Alabama graduated about 84% of it's football players.

 

 

How am I misquoting Rosen? Here's what he said:

 

"Look, football and school don't go together," Rosen explained. "They just don't. Trying to do both is like trying to do two full-time jobs. There are guys who have no business being in school, but they're here because this is the path to the NFL. There's no other way. Then there's the other side that says raise the SAT eligibility requirements. OK, raise the SAT requirement at Alabama and see what kind of team they have. You lose athletes and then the product on the field suffers."

 

Most football players are "knuckle draggers"? Wow, what a moronic statement. Alabama graduates about 84% of it's football players. 100% earned their degrees over 7 years. Some graduate in less than 4 years and some graduate with their Master's degrees.

Man, you are very, very naive about what it takes for a player at a big time D1 school to get a “degree”. Piece of advice: check out their majors, look into the special tutor systems at these places, and read up on UNC, a better school than Alabama. The guys who don’t get their degrees are generally the really good ones who can enter the draft after their junior year. These schools make it about as easy as possible for people at 6th grade reading levels to graduate with ease. Without getting into detail, I have spent the last three decades of my life at major university institutions. I know what I’m talking about.

 

The Alabama “scholar athlete” is the wrong hill to die on. Accept big time D1 football for what it is: a thoroughly corrupt institution that  makes a ton of money for the big schools and which has absolutely nothing to do with academics. I wouldn’t fault anyone for enjoying a system that I think shouldn’t exist in its current form — it is highly entertaining, after all — but I do ask that people at least see it for what it truly is.

Edited April 11, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Sky Diver]

Interesting. So you are an expert on Alabama because????

 

Where is your list of  "knuckle draggers" on the Alabama roster? I'm curious to see it.

 

http://www.rolltide.com/roster.aspx?path=football

 

 

[Cripple Creek]

Diver—we get it man, you love the program and back it to the hilt. Now please, let this thread die. (Or at least change the title to something more appropriate.)

[Sky Diver]

2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Diver—we get it man, you love the program and back it to the hilt. Now please, let this thread die. (Or at least change the title to something more appropriate.)

 

I get it. Rosen's comments are stupid and indefensible. I don't blame you for giving up.

[Cripple Creek]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I get it. Rosen's comments are stupid and indefensible. I don't blame you for giving up.

This topic has strayed far from your original intentions. No harm, just change the title.

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

I get it. Rosen's comments are stupid and indefensible. I don't blame you for giving up.

The irony

[Sky Diver]

I think Dave McBride largely summarized Rosen's point: Most college football players are knuckle draggers, and it's even worse if they attend Alabama or Clemson.

 

Let's say "most' is greater than 50%. So who are they on Alabama's roster? I'd like to the see list.

 

http://www.rolltide.com/roster.aspx?path=football

[Royale with Cheese]

"LEAVE ALABAMA ALONE!!!!"

 

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

Interesting. So you are an expert on Alabama because????

 

Where is your list of  "knuckle draggers" on the Alabama roster? I'm curious to see it.

 

http://www.rolltide.com/roster.aspx?path=football

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

I think Dave McBride largely summarized Rosen's point: Most college football players are knuckle draggers, and it's even worse if they attend Alabama or Clemson.

 

Let's say "most' is greater than 50%. So who are they on Alabama's roster? I'd like to the see list.

 

http://www.rolltide.com/roster.aspx?path=football

At least you waited 25 minutes before repeating yourself.

[Royale with Cheese]

53 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I get it. Rosen's comments are stupid and indefensible. I don't blame you for giving up.

 

AL.com doesn’t think they’re stupid or indefensible.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

"Universities in general, including Alabama, care more about player eligibility than player education."

Bold statement with no proof. Alabama graduated about 84% of it's football players.

 

Please stop this, Diver.  We both know that overall graduation rates with degrees in stuff like "general studies" do not reflect the quality of the education athletes are receiving.

 

This is what Alabama told a CNN article on the subject, which is a nice way of saying "we don't know if there's a problem or how big it is because we don't look"

Alabama says it does not keep records, or track in any way, entrance exam scores or results of reading evaluations for athletes. The university also says it does not have a process for "special admits." There is one reading specialist on staff who works with athletes.

 

Someone else posted an article link about the topic of player eligibility vs player education in general, and there have been several personal experience accounts too.

 

I get it, you're a 'bama boy.  Roll Tide.  But repetitively countering points that people make with stats and general 'bama facts that really don't bear on them simply makes you look foolishly partisan. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Please stop this, Diver.  We both know that overall graduation rates with degrees in stuff like "general studies" do not reflect the quality of the education athletes are receiving.

 

This is what Alabama told a CNN article on the subject, which is a nice way of saying "we don't know if there's a problem or how big it is because we don't look"

Alabama says it does not keep records, or track in any way, entrance exam scores or results of reading evaluations for athletes. The university also says it does not have a process for "special admits." There is one reading specialist on staff who works with athletes.

 

Someone else posted an article link about the topic of player eligibility vs player education in general, and there have been several personal experience accounts too.

 

I get it, you're a 'bama boy.  Roll Tide.  But repetitively countering points that people make with stats and general 'bama facts that really don't bear on them simply makes you look foolishly partisan. 

 

Did you like when he sent the Alabama roster link and asked us who is a "knuckle dragger"?.

[Sky Diver]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

 

At least you waited 25 minutes before repeating yourself.

 

I'll patiently wait for the list of knuckle draggers in the Alabama football rooster. Since it is most of them, it should be easy to compile.

[Royale with Cheese]

36 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I'll patiently wait for the list of knuckle draggers in the Alabama football rooster. Since it is most of them, it should be easy to compile.

 

Only if you can let us know which specific players from UCLA got in because they lowered their admission standards.

 

http://uclabruins.com/roster.aspx?roster=184&path=football