TPS Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 1:26 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: I have, but does that mean AJM will? Expand How many games has he started? that said, I don’t think he’s the kind of QB that will put up 250-300 yds/g, but he can win them games and seems to have the ability to make comebacks, unlike TT. 1
Stank_Nasty Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) On 3/31/2018 at 1:23 PM, BananaB said: All your years of watching football and you never seen a player improve? Expand Dude. The point is.... you cannot look back on what you’ve seen from him and make statements about the pass game improving. We can only evaluate what he’s done and with a better supporting cast he didn’t do anything more than what we’ve seen. That’s the bottom line. There was nothing seen there to say it would be an improvement on what we just had other than his clutch play in the playoffs. That’s always nice to see. And obviously something Taylor lacked BIG TIME. Maybe he improves. I would hope he has over the last 2 seasons. But it’s not a given he’s an upgrade. Edited March 31, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
26CornerBlitz Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 1:31 PM, TPS said: How many games has he started? that said, I don’t think he’s the kind of QB that will put up 250-300 yds/g, but he can win them games and seems to have the ability to make comebacks, unlike TT. Expand We'll see. To my eye, he doesn't look like the kind of QB that the Bills can rely on to win them games on a consistent basis. Funny that no other team believed what you do.
BananaB Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 1:26 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: I have, but does that mean AJM will? Expand I’m not saying he will, but you are saying he won’t.... AJ is smart kid who has played his position well in his time on the field at college and stepping of the bench in the NFL. He was surrounded by talent but he did his job. Hopefully he can help this team, until he proves he can’t i’m not gonna throw him under the bus like yourself.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 1:40 PM, BananaB said: I’m not saying he will, but you are saying he won’t.... AJ is smart kid who has played his position well in his time on the field at college and stepping of the bench in the NFL. He was surrounded by talent but he did his job. Hopefully he can help this team, until he proves he can’t i’m not gonna throw him under the bus like yourself. Expand I'm saying he'll have to show improvement, but I'm not expecting much based on his average skill set. That's not throwing him under anything. It's a realsitic expectation based on the kind of player he is.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 12:31 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Such as? Expand Please sir enlighten us on all the ways AJ can’t do ok/well/good. One word answers from you does not serve well for a self proclaimed knowledgeable guy. Oh and use your words and not a tweet from someone else. Thanks On 3/31/2018 at 1:42 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: I'm saying he'll have to show improvement, but I'm not expecting much based on his average skill set. That's not throwing him under anything. It's a realsitic expectation based on the kind of player he is. Expand Further define average skill set please. Average skill set is Tyrod Taylor. 2
TPS Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) On 3/31/2018 at 1:38 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: We'll see. To my eye, he doesn't look like the kind of QB that the Bills can rely on to win them games on a consistent basis. Funny that no other team believed what you do. Expand Because he’s yet to have an opportunity to play an entire season, so he is still an unknown quantity. The issue isn’t that he’s going to lead a franchise to the Super Bowl, rather can he get them to the playoffs? With an improved D, I think his small sample size shows it’s possible. Btw, the Bills are an NFL team... Edited March 31, 2018 by TPS
26CornerBlitz Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:06 PM, TPS said: Because he’s yet to have an opportunity to play an entire season, so he is still an unknown quantity. The issue isn’t that he’s going to lead a franchise, rather can he get them to the playoffs? With an improved D, I think his small sample size shows it’s possible. Btw, the Bills are an NFL team... Expand So was Garoppolo, yet he scored a big deal from the 49ers while McCarron settled for backup money with the Bills after no team pursued him as a starting option. There's a reason for that whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:06 PM, TPS said: Because he’s yet to have an opportunity to play an entire season, so he is still an unknown quantity. The issue isn’t that he’s going to lead a franchise, rather can he get them to the playoffs? With an improved D, I think his small sample size shows it’s possible. Btw, the Bills are an NFL team... Expand 26 thinks he knows all about NFL QB’s. If their name isn’t Tom Brady or Jimmy Garoppolo or Tyrod Taylor then they aren’t any good. On 3/31/2018 at 2:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: So was Garoppolo, yet he scored a big deal from the 49ers while McCarron settled for backup money with the Bills after no team pursued him as a starting option. There's a reason for that whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Expand BAM. Nailed it!!!! The AMMOUNT a young QB gets paid does not prove he’s a good QB. Kirk Cousins will get paid more than Jimmy this year and for the next 2 seasons (cuz you can and should ignore the guarantee for injury money)
TPS Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: So was Garoppolo, yet he scored a big deal from the 49ers while McCarron settled for backup money with the Bills after no team pursued him as a starting option. There's a reason for that whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Expand Again, the question is NOT whether AJ is a franchise QB, it's "are the Bills a playoff team with AJ?" In my initial post I said they needed some help at other positions, but if they do that, then I think he's good enough to get them to the playoffs. If he isn't better than Tyrod, than you'd be right.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) On 3/31/2018 at 2:09 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: 26 thinks he knows all about NFL QB’s. If their name isn’t Tom Brady or Jimmy Garoppolo or Tyrod Taylor then they aren’t any good. BAM. Nailed it!!!! The AMMOUNT a young QB gets paid does not prove he’s a good QB. Kirk Cousins will get paid more than Jimmy this year and for the next 2 seasons (cuz you can and should ignore the guarantee for injury money) Expand what's funny, is he doesn't know it all. sure, McCarron signed for back up money but I'm looking at it as he did so knowing he has a chance at the starter position and could do well enough to remain the starter while (1-2 seasons) grooming the rookie? then when rookie is ready to take the reins he may have gained some good trade value and have another chance to start elsewhere for better money? it's easier for some to look at the dark side rather then the bright side but the fact is he, like his predecessor, sat on the bench for 4 (5) years and then was given an opportunity with a new team to prove himself. my gut tells me he will fare much better than said predecessor? I'd take the opinion of a coach to heart more thren some message board know it all, any day of the week. Buffalo's getting a winner,' NFL coach says of AJ McCarron "I think Buffalo's getting a winner," The Buffalo Bills' acquisition of quarterback AJ McCarron in free agency has the stamp of approval from at least two NFL coaches. Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis called McCarron "a joy to coach" and "an uplifting player" while with the Bengals. "He's what you want, you know?" Lewis told the Buffalo News about McCarron at the NFL's annual meeting this week. "You want a guy who always feels he's better than he is. That's part of being a quarterback in the NFL. You've got to have that kind of self-confidence where, when you walk into that huddle or that meeting room, everyone feels good about you. ... "AJ's always been a really confident player in himself and his abilities. He's had a great deal of success, and he believes that he will always continue to have success. That's part of him." "I think Buffalo's getting a winner," Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson told the Buffalo News, "a guy that will come early, stay late, work extremely hard, loves football, loves winning more than losing, can't stand to lose. He knows how to elevate his teammates." Jackson served as Cincinnati's offensive coordinator during McCarron's first two NFL seasons. Edited March 31, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:49 PM, TPS said: Again, the question is NOT whether AJ is a franchise QB, it's "are the Bills a playoff team with AJ?" In my initial post I said they needed some help at other positions, but if they do that, then I think he's good enough to get them to the playoffs. If he isn't better than Tyrod, than you'd be right. Expand Also. AJ became a FA at the tail end of not after all the QB slots were filled. On 3/31/2018 at 2:50 PM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: what's funny, is he doesn't know it all. sure, McCarron signed for back up money but I'm looking at it as he did so knowing he has a chance at the starter position and could do well enough to remain the starter while (1-2 seasons) grooming the rookie? then when rookie is ready to take the reins he may have gained some good trade value and have another chance to start elsewhere for better money? Expand Something else that is funny. How little did TT sign for again when he first signed with Buffalo??? $14 mil?
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:50 PM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: what's funny, is he doesn't know it all. sure, McCarron signed for back up money but I'm looking at it as he did so knowing he has a chance at the starter position and could do well enough to remain the starter while (1-2 seasons) grooming the rookie? then when rookie is ready to take the reins he may have gained some good trade value and have another chance to start elsewhere for better money? it's easier for some to look at the dark side rather then the bright side but the fact is he, like his predecessor, sat on the bench for 4 (5) years and then given an opportunity with a new team to prove himself. my gut tells me he will fare much better than said predecessor? I'd take the opinion of a coach to heart more thren some message board know it all, any day of the week. Buffalo's getting a winner,' NFL coach says of AJ McCarron "I think Buffalo's getting a winner," The Buffalo Bills' acquisition of quarterback AJ McCarron in free agency has the stamp of approval from at least two NFL coaches. Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis called McCarron "a joy to coach" and "an uplifting player" while with the Bengals. "He's what you want, you know?" Lewis told the Buffalo News about McCarron at the NFL's annual meeting this week. "You want a guy who always feels he's better than he is. That's part of being a quarterback in the NFL. You've got to have that kind of self-confidence where, when you walk into that huddle or that meeting room, everyone feels good about you. ... "AJ's always been a really confident player in himself and his abilities. He's had a great deal of success, and he believes that he will always continue to have success. That's part of him." "I think Buffalo's getting a winner," Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson told the Buffalo News, "a guy that will come early, stay late, work extremely hard, loves football, loves winning more than losing, can't stand to lose. He knows how to elevate his teammates." Jackson served as Cincinnati's offensive coordinator during McCarron's first two NFL seasons. Expand I am cautiously optimistic about this kid like you. I think he has enough years under his belt riding the pine to be mature enough to start. I think he has the talent, and the moxie. I believe this because of his playoff performance against the steelers. However, he is an unknown quantity. That is why i am CAUTIOUSLY optimistic. As for the above quote, all I can say is that is what they said about Tyrod... 1
26CornerBlitz Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:49 PM, TPS said: Again, the question is NOT whether AJ is a franchise QB, it's "are the Bills a playoff team with AJ?" In my initial post I said they needed some help at other positions, but if they do that, then I think he's good enough to get them to the playoffs. If he isn't better than Tyrod, than you'd be right. Expand I responded with a comparison of Garoppolo because you claimed he's a unknown quantity. I would argue that he's known for what QB traits and physical skills he has irrespective of the five games he's played as a starter in the NFL. In any case, he may get the opportunity to show growth depending upon who the Bills draft next month.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:52 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: Also. AJ became a FA at the tail end of not after all the QB slots were filled. Something else that is funny. How little did TT sign for again when he first signed with Buffalo??? $14 mil? Expand 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 2:58 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: I responded with a comparison of Garoppolo because you claimed he's a unknown quantity. I would argue that he's known for what QB traits and physical skills he has irrespective of the five games he's played as a starter in the NFL. In any case, he may get the opportunity to show growth depending upon who the Bills draft next month. Expand From what McDermott has shown he isn’t a guy to start a rookie right away unles the starter had 3 or 4 poor games in a months span like Tyrod did.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 For the record. AJM won his arbitration case well before Free Agency. He simply misjudged the market with the thought he'd be in demand. He wasn't. AJ McCarron wins case against Bengals, now unrestricted FABy DANIEL RAPAPORT February 15, 2018Quarterback AJ McCarron has won his grievance against the Bengals and now enters the offseason as an unrestricted free agent.NFL Network's Ian Rapoport first reported the league's ruling.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 who really cares if he wasn't in demand? the bills picked him up for what they must of felt was a good reason and not solely based on the size of his contract. trying to belittle his opportunity because other teams did not pick him up, is irrelevant since he is now a buffalo bill with an opportunity ahead of him. rather than find every reason why he shouldn't be the starter, I instead will pull for him in hopes he succeeds? 1
Kirby Jackson Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 3:17 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: For the record. AJM won his arbitration case well before Free Agency. He simply misjudged the market with the thought he'd be in demand. He wasn't. AJ McCarron wins case against Bengals, now unrestricted FABy DANIEL RAPAPORT February 15, 2018Quarterback AJ McCarron has won his grievance against the Bengals and now enters the offseason as an unrestricted free agent.NFL Network's Ian Rapoport first reported the league's ruling. Expand At the end of the day he is what he is. McCarron can be a smart, tough, game manager that can keep you afloat for a month. It was a good signing at the price and with the need. He’s a decent bridge option and a really good #2. His skill set is limited though. Anyone that expects him to come in and light up the scoreboard hasn’t watched a lot of McCarron. That’s not who he is. He’s actually a poor man’s Tyrod in a lot of ways. He has less physical skills but a lot of the same “won’t lose you games” approach. He has won a lot in his life playing that style. McCarron was a fantastic addition at that price but isn’t likely the long-term guy.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 1:11 PM, BananaB said: Yeah, 4 games worth. Two !@#$ing years ago Expand Apparently it's enough for some to say he's an upgrade. The point is we don't know what he is, but clearly the league didn't buy into the media hype.
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