Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 "After gaining the starting job in the end of the 1990 season as a true freshman (joined later by Jeff Tuel as the only two in school history), he quickly became the face of the Cougars offense. In 1992 Bledsoe led his team to a 9–3 record (ranking #10 in the coaches poll and #12 in the AP) and a 31–28 win against the Utah Utes in the Copper Bowl. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Bledsoe Washington State got better under Bledsoe. UCLA got worse after Rosen became the QB in 2015: 2014: 10 - 3 2015: 8 - 5 2016: 4 - 8 2017: 6 - 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 hours ago, NickelCity said: Rosen has great field vision and can make all the throws - accurately. He needs to improve his pocket awareness and his concussions scare me. But he was the only one giving UCLA a chance in games. I'm not impressed with that program at all. This here... in watching several UCLA games they looked like a poorly coached team overall. The effort from some of his WRs was dismal. Rosen seemed to be one of the only guys working hard to make plays happen. I saw a few plays where his ball placement wasn't great but the ball was catchable with an adjustment from the WR. This WR in question was running a crossing route, the ball was a little bit behind him, receiver saw it but just kept running his route right to the sideline, didn't even make an attempt at catching it. Not every pass is gonna be perfectly on the money but if you get the ball in your receivers range, you'd think they'd at least make an effort to catch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 39 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: The UCLA defense was ranked 127/130 and the rushing attack was ranked below 100 as well. Their passing Offense was ranked 4th. It's safe to say that the talent around him was lacking. What you mean he didn't play linebacker as well??? BUST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Quarterbacks are 95% crap shoot. That's why it's not intelligent to give up an entire cupboard of draft picks to get one. Especially when there will still be quality ones available when it's your time to pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: What you mean he didn't play linebacker as well??? BUST. Which is obviously why you need a balanced team. One guy can't do it alone, which is my point. 9 minutes ago, blacklabel said: This here... in watching several UCLA games they looked like a poorly coached team overall. The effort from some of his WRs was dismal. Rosen seemed to be one of the only guys working hard to make plays happen. I saw a few plays where his ball placement wasn't great but the ball was catchable with an adjustment from the WR. This WR in question was running a crossing route, the ball was a little bit behind him, receiver saw it but just kept running his route right to the sideline, didn't even make an attempt at catching it. Not every pass is gonna be perfectly on the money but if you get the ball in your receivers range, you'd think they'd at least make an effort to catch it. In the A&M game he was heaving the ball up in the air and his WR's made plays. There was a big element of luck in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Which is obviously why you need a balanced team. One guy can't do it alone, which is my point. In the A&M game he was heaving the ball up in the air and his WR's made plays. There was a big element of luck in that game. Well that'd be a welcome change, wouldn't it? A QB willing to throw into tight coverage and give his WRs at least a chance to make a play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: If you replace Josh Rosen with say the college equivalent of Tyrod Taylor they would be no where near 18-20. UCLA was criminally bad and only stayed afloat because of the singular brilliance of Josh Rosen. 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: They were 10 - 3 the year before Rosen. 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Are you seriously arguing UCLA got worse with Josh Rosen? LOL! Ouch. Just take your L and move on, bro. Sky Diver is killing fools in this thread. Rosen is a fraud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Ouch. Just take your L and move on, bro. Sky Diver is killing fools in this thread. Rosen is a fraud. UCLA's roster was overturned with people declaring. That wasn't the same team but okay. Anyone arguing that UCLA got worse because they suddenly got a Top 3 QB isn't smart. 9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Quarterbacks are 95% crap shoot. That's why it's not intelligent to give up an entire cupboard of draft picks to get one. Especially when there will still be quality ones available when it's your time to pick. Mason Rudolph? LOL! Edited March 22, 2018 by FeelingOnYouboty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Quarterbacks are 95% crap shoot. That's why it's not intelligent to give up an entire cupboard of draft picks to get one. Especially when there will still be quality ones available when it's your time to pick. If you ignore probabilities, history and the value of the 20 scouts each team has then you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Well that'd be a welcome change, wouldn't it? A QB willing to throw into tight coverage and give his WRs at least a chance to make a play. Like I said, in quite a few plays he was heaving the ball up in the air; it wasn't throwing into tight coverage. Watch the 2nd half of the game. 3 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: UCLA's roster was overturned with people declaring. That wasn't the same team but okay. Anyone arguing that UCLA got worse because they suddenly got a Top 3 QB isn't smart. One guy can't carry a team; hence my point. And certainly not Rosen. Edited March 22, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Like I said, in quite a few plays he was heaving the ball up in the air; it wasn't throwing into tight coverage. Watch the 2nd half of the game. One guy can't carry a team; hence my point. It takes a lot for a team to be great. Correct. Nothing papers over the weaknesses better than a Top QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Quarterbacks are 95% crap shoot. That's why it's not intelligent to give up an entire cupboard of draft picks to get one. Especially when there will still be quality ones available when it's your time to pick. So as previously said, carry on doing what the Bills have been doing for the past 21 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: It takes a lot for a team to be great. Correct. Nothing papers over the weaknesses better than a Top QB. Rosen: 18 - 20 McCarron: 36 - 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Sky Diver said: What if we drafted the two stud ND offensive lineman in the first and a QB and a MLB in the 2nd? Bama: I say keep our picks, and get a QB in 2nd, and let's roll with AJ to the playoffs!!!!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Rosen: 18 - 20 McCarron: 36 - 4 Kellen Moore 50-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Rosen: 18 - 20 McCarron: 36 - 4 McCarron is a decent QB. I'm glad he's here especially at that price but Alabama wasn't a transcendent team because of his singular talent. C'mon lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Kellen Moore 50-3 Boise State is an FBS team. McCarron competed against the best programs in the country and let Alabama to back to back national championships. Just now, FeelingOnYouboty said: McCarron is a decent QB. I'm glad he's here especially at that price but Alabama wasn't a transcendent team because of his singular talent. C'mon lol! They had a balanced team which is what McDermott and Beane are trying to build here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Boise State is an FBS team. McCarron competed against the best programs in the country and let Alabama to back to back national championships. They had a balanced team which is what McDermott and Beane are trying to build here. I get it you’re a Bama homer. That’s fine they are a fantastic program. But the most reasonable assumption is that AJ is just OK. That’s why he was picked late. That’s why he was passed by all the other free agent QBs. It’s why he signed for so little. Maybe he’ll prove everyone wrong and be more than just OK but the odds are against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) Realism about the QB position regarding the Bills is that they haven't had one who is franchise caliber since 1996 and they will be looking to the draft to fill that void such that they can be perennial playoff contenders. This is the case no matter how many AJM threads the OP starts. Edited March 22, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: I get it you’re a Bama homer. That’s fine they are a fantastic program. But the most reasonable assumption is that AJ is just OK. That’s why he was picked late. That’s why he was passed by all the other free agent QBs. It’s why he signed for so little. Maybe he’ll prove everyone wrong and be more than just OK but the odds are against it. We shall see. Hoping for the best. He was projected as a 2nd rd pick. Edited March 22, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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