Sky Diver Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 About 45% were not 1st round picks. NAME Draft Pick Joe Montana 2 Terry Bradshaw 1 Tom Brady 6 Troy Aikman 1 John Elway 1 Roger Staubach 10 Bob Griese 1 Ben Roethlisberger 1 Eli Manning 1 Bart Starr 17 Jim Plunkett 1 Joe Namath 1 Len Dawson 1 Johnny Unitas 9 Ken Stabler 2 Joe Theismann 4 Jim McMahon 1 Phil Simms 1 Doug Williams 1 Jeff Hostetler 3 Mark Rypien 6 Steve Young 1 Brett Favre 2 Kurt Warner Undrafted Trent Dilfer 1 Brad Johnson 9 Peyton Manning 1 Drew Brees 2 Aaron Rodgers 1 Joe Flacco 1 Russell Wilson 3 Nick Foles 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The league has not changed at all in 50+ years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: The league has not changed at all in 50+ years Neither have your posts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 That means that 55% were. Ergo, chances are in your favor in the long haul with a 1st round QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Staubach had Navy service before his pro career, he would have gone 3rd pick at worst otherwise. Unitas winning a SB is a stretch, with all the due respect to that great man. edit: it was a 4-year commitment for Roger, the Cowboys were allowed to grab him a year before he graduated. Edited March 19, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: About 45% were not 1st round picks. NAME Draft Pick Joe Montana 2 Terry Bradshaw 1 Tom Brady 6 Troy Aikman 1 John Elway 1 Roger Staubach 10 Bob Griese 1 Ben Roethlisberger 1 Eli Manning 1 Bart Starr 17 Jim Plunkett 1 Joe Namath 1 Len Dawson 1 Johnny Unitas 9 Ken Stabler 2 Joe Theismann 4 Jim McMahon 1 Phil Simms 1 Doug Williams 1 Jeff Hostetler 3 Mark Rypien 6 Steve Young 1 Brett Favre 2 Kurt Warner Undrafted Trent Dilfer 1 Brad Johnson 9 Peyton Manning 1 Drew Brees 2 Aaron Rodgers 1 Joe Flacco 1 Russell Wilson 3 Nick Foles 3 I’ve seen this before, but someone also needs to do the Super Losing QBs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 We all know about Jim Kelly, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I see more 1’s on that list than any other number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Of the 55% who were selected in the 1st round, how many were drafted on or after the 12th pick? I bet 50% of them #stayat12 #dontmortgagefuture #buildwithrookiecontracts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: I see more 1’s on that list than any other number. Barely more 1st round picks than non-1st round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Let’s go with this... When would you guys say the NFL turned into a passing league? I would say 2004 when I believe it was the year they really clamped down on the illegal contact penalty and you couldn’t touch the receiver after 5 yards. So since 2004,QBs to win 2004 Brady, 6th round 2005 Ben, 1st 2006, P Manning, 1st 2007, Eli, 1st 2008, Ben, 1st 2009, Brees, 2nd I believe? 2010, Rodgers, 1st 2011, Eli, 1st 2012, Flacco, 1st 2013, Wilson, 3rd 2014, Brady, 6th 2015, Manning, 1st 2016, Brady, 6th 2017, Foles/Wentz combo. I went into this with an unbiased approach as I was just listing the QBs as I was thinking. Without the rare exception in Brady, most QBs who win super bowls are drafted in the 1st round. I say rare exception in Brady because I don’t think there will ever be a 6th round QB to win multiple Super Bowls again Edited March 19, 2018 by billsfan11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Barely more 1st round picks than non-1st round picks. Sure, but you also have to factor QB inflation into the equation. The perceived value of the position in 2018 is far greater than it was in past era’s as late as the 90’s. A lot of those 2nd round guys would have been first round picks in 2018. The fact that so many teams missed out on guys like Favre taught teams to look further at potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Montana is the biggest laugh for me, he led ND to a title and a very good team his Jr/Sr years and seemed NFL worthy (though not a harbinger of his career) so they have made up for this by taking every scrub in a ND helmet at QB way way way too soon since (probably one exception i've forgotten about in that pile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Let’s go with this... When would you guys say the NFL turned into a passing league? I would say 2004 when I believe it was the year they made the illegal contact penalty and you couldn’t touch the receiver after 5 yards. So since 2004,QBs to win 2004 Brady, 6th round 2005 Ben, 1st 2006, P Manning, 1st 2007, Eli, 1st 2008, Ben, 1st 2009, Brees, 2nd I believe? 2010, Rodgers, 1st 2011, Eli, 1st 2012, Flacco, 1st 2013, Wilson, 3rd 2014, Brady, 6th 2015, Manning, 1st 2016, Brady, 6th 2017, Foles/Wentz combo. I went into this with an unbiased approach as I was just listing the QBs as I was thinking. Without the rare exception in Brady, most QBs who win super bowls are drafted in the 1st round. I say rare exception in Brady because I don’t think there will ever be a 6th round QB to win multiple Super Bowls again With your revised list it goes to 57% 1st round, 43% non-1st round not taking into consideration multiple counting. Edited March 19, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Let’s go with this... When would you guys say the NFL turned into a passing league? I would say 2004 when I believe it was the year they made the illegal contact penalty and you couldn’t touch the receiver after 5 yards. So since 2004,QBs to win 2004 Brady, 6th round 2005 Ben, 1st 2006, P Manning, 1st 2007, Eli, 1st 2008, Ben, 1st 2009, Brees, 2nd I believe? 2010, Rodgers, 1st 2011, Eli, 1st 2012, Flacco, 1st 2013, Wilson, 3rd 2014, Brady, 6th 2015, Manning, 1st 2016, Brady, 6th 2017, Foles/Wentz combo. I went into this with an unbiased approach as I was just listing the QBs as I was thinking. Without the rare exception in Brady, most QBs who win super bowls are drafted in the 1st round. I say rare exception in Brady because I don’t think there will ever be a 6th round QB to win multiple Super Bowls again late 70s with the Mel Bount/Jack Tatum rule that took away contact after 5 yards and after the Stingley tragedy took away the freedom of the secondary to club the receiver in the face and back of the neck on every play. Losing the intimidation factor was monstrous. Marino soon took advantage with small and fleet of foot WRs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Let’s go with this... When would you guys say the NFL turned into a passing league? I would say 2004 when I believe it was the year they made the illegal contact penalty and you couldn’t touch the receiver after 5 yards. So since 2004,QBs to win 2004 Brady, 6th round 2005 Ben, 1st 2006, P Manning, 1st 2007, Eli, 1st 2008, Ben, 1st 2009, Brees, 2nd I believe? 2010, Rodgers, 1st 2011, Eli, 1st 2012, Flacco, 1st 2013, Wilson, 3rd 2014, Brady, 6th 2015, Manning, 1st 2016, Brady, 6th 2017, Foles/Wentz combo. I went into this with an unbiased approach as I was just listing the QBs as I was thinking. Without the rare exception in Brady, most QBs who win super bowls are drafted in the 1st round. I say rare exception in Brady because I don’t think there will ever be a 6th round QB to win multiple Super Bowls again Nice post, just a few too many Bens , Bradys, and Mannings Edited March 19, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Barely more 1st round picks than non-1st round picks. Yeah.... But there are 7 rounds, so 55% is heavily skewed in favor of drafting one in the first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) little of the best of this was perfectly legal after 1978... NSFW somewhat for soundtrack... Edited March 19, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: With your revised list it goes to 57% 1st round, 43% non-1st round. Fair enough, like I said I’m unbiased and was just listing them. Brady kind of skews those results though haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Nice post, just a few too many Ben’s , Bradys’s, and Manning. Single counting, it's still about 55/45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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