billspro Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) On 3/18/2018 at 2:58 AM, T-Bomb said: Darnold or Rosen or don't do QB, it's that simple... I don't want to hear about the other dudes. Expand That does not make sense. There are going to be 2 starter/franchise guys not named Darnold or Rosen in this draft. I don't know who they will be but this is the deepest QB class I have ever seen. I would not be surprised to see at least 8 QBs gone at the end of day 2. I really like Darnold and Rosen as prospects, but they both have some red flags. It is possible that one of the other QBs becomes the best guy in this class. We need to invest another pick into that position, if we don't take a chance we won't get one. Rodgers, Big Ben, David Carr, Russel Wilson, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Jimmy G, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott. There are lots of good starters not taken in the top 5 of their drafts. That list includes the four best QBs in the NFL. On 3/18/2018 at 3:25 AM, Bag of Milk said: Gabriel is a clown, easily my least favorite "expert" Gabriel on Johnny Manziel in 2014: "If I had to compare Manziel to another NFL quarterback I would say he is part Wilson, part Brees and part Brett Favre. It obviously remains to be seen if he will have the success of those players." Expand Horrible analysis, he loses a lot of credibility saying that. Manziel just ran around and threw jump balls to Mike Evans in college. He is lucky he had Evans on his team. On 3/18/2018 at 3:19 AM, PIZ said: I think we're getting close to convincing you it is OK that we are not getting Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. If that QB room doesn't excite you, this should: Round 1: 12 (from Cincinnati) Round 1: 22 (from Kansas City) Round 2: 53 Rohbd 2: 56 (from Los Angeles Rams) Round 3: 65 (from Cleveland) Round 3: 96 (from Philadelphia) Round 4: 121 Round 5: 166 Round 6: 187 (from Cincinnati) This draft is going to be a blast. So, the Jets get Rosen or Mayfield, but not much else. Look at the picks we have. We get Rudolph, who I think could be a stud, and fits McDermott's and Beane to a T, plus all these picks. Imagine if they hit on all of them, or even half of them. Expand If we miss out on Darnold and Rosen then I will be hoping for Mayfield in the first or White/Rudolph in the second. All of those guys are seniors, which improves their chance of succeeding in the NFL. I think a lot of the biggest QB busts have been juniors or sophomores. On 3/18/2018 at 3:05 AM, Buffalo716 said: Yea he might be an Andy Dalton at best but he's not on Darnold , Rosen , Baker level imo though if the Bills end up wanting him , I will support him 100% I literally just said that at his best he might be a Dalton type Expand He reminds me a lot of Teddy Bridgewater coming out of Louisville. I think Rudolph has a chance to be a solid starter. I agree he won't be elite though. I really hope the Browns pass on Darnold, I would be willing to pay the ransom to the Giants if he is on the board at 2. Edited March 18, 2018 by billspro
BuffaloRush Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Greg Gabriel also thought Peterman was a great QB prospect
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 4:48 AM, billspro said: He reminds me a lot of Teddy Bridgewater coming out of Louisville. I think Rudolph has a chance to be a solid starter. I agree he won't be elite though. Expand And that is a big problem that could lead us down the same path....not willing to move on and trying to surround them with more talent....
billspro Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 5:16 AM, Reed83HOF said: And that is a big problem that could lead us down the same path....not willing to move on and trying to surround them with more talent.... Expand As long as you pair those guys with a good offensive coordinator they can be a part of great offenses. Just look what Goff did in LA.
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 5:34 AM, billspro said: As long as you pair those guys with a good offensive coordinator they can be a part of great offenses. Just look what Goff did in LA. Expand Goff was a #1 pick....Rudolph=solid starter= Dalton. Good enough to win some games for you, not bad enough to move on from.... Bridgewater was a waste of a pick and don't try to sell me on Jackson...I'm sick of "dynamic" QBs and the dumbass wildcat...Can't we get a QB who will stay in the pocket and actually throw the ball?
Chicken Boo Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:00 AM, jrober38 said: Rudolph is a 3rd/4th round prospect. No difference between him and prospects like Landry Jones or Bryce Petty. Expand Are you sure? Cousins was a 4th rounder, Foles 3rd round, Wilson 3rd round. For guys like Rudolph (most QBs, really) it's all about the system he's in. He'd kill it in NE.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:25 AM, Bag of Milk said: Gabriel is a clown, easily my least favorite "expert" Gabriel on Johnny Manziel in 2014: "If I had to compare Manziel to another NFL quarterback I would say he is part Wilson, part Brees and part Brett Favre. It obviously remains to be seen if he will have the success of those players." Expand He forgot Ryan Leaf.
BuffaloRush Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 5:55 AM, Formerly Allan in MD said: He forgot Ryan Leaf. Expand Gabriel is a clown... that’s why it drives me nuts when people act like he’s an expert
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:58 AM, T-Bomb said: Darnold or Rosen or don't do QB, it's that simple... I don't want to hear about the other dudes. Expand I am not opposed to Allen or Mayfield at this point, but after that big drop off.
formerlyofCtown Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:01 AM, Buffalo716 said: I don't think Rudolph goes top 20... He has a good amount of stuff to work on and clean up Needs a lot of work under center and might have the weakest arm of the top 6 Expand Scouting reports I read say he was the best deep ball QB in college last year. On 3/18/2018 at 5:40 AM, Chicken Boo said: Are you sure? Cousins was a 4th rounder, Foles 3rd round, Wilson 3rd round. For guys like Rudolph (most QBs, really) it's all about the system he's in. He'd kill it in NE. Expand We now run the same system as NE
Buffalo716 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 10:07 PM, formerlyofCtown said: Scouting reports I read say he was the best deep ball QB in college last year. We now run the same system as NE Expand He does throw a very good deep ball but he doesn't have as strong an arm as Baker, Darnold or Rosen
SouthNYfan Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:07 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Of course, but a QB room of McCarron, Rudolph, and Peterman doesn't excite me. Expand It excites opposing DBs/secondaries though. They would be marking "Buffalo bills" as "stat padding to get paid" days. 1
formerlyofCtown Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 10:14 PM, Buffalo716 said: He does throw a very good deep ball but he doesn't have as strong an arm as Baker, Darnold or Rosen Expand JP Losman had a cannon. Brady doesn't have the stongest arm and he seems to play ok in Buffalo.
Buffalo716 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) On 3/19/2018 at 10:24 PM, formerlyofCtown said: JP Losman had a cannon. Brady doesn't have the stongest arm and he seems to play ok in Buffalo. Expand Brady has worked his way into having a very strong arm He can throw it 65+ mph on a rope as well as sling is 65-70 yards i fully understand arm strength is not end all be all but Brady throws a beautiful deep out... as of today Rudolph struggles with that i would rather have Rudolph over Lamar Jackson Edited March 19, 2018 by Buffalo716
SouthNYfan Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 10:29 PM, Buffalo716 said: Brady has worked his way into having a very strong arm He can throw it 65+ mph on a rope as well as sling is 65-70 yards i fully understand arm strength is not end all be all but Brady throws a beautiful deep out... as of today Rudolph struggles with that i would rather have Rudolph over Lamar Jackson Expand Well I'd rather get punched in the stomach than kicked in the nuts... I'd prefer neither ?? 1
formerlyofCtown Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 10:29 PM, Buffalo716 said: Brady has worked his way into having a very strong arm He can throw it 65+ mph on a rope as well as sling is 65-70 yards i fully understand arm strength is not end all be all but Brady throws a beautiful deep out... as of today Rudolph struggles with that i would rather have Rudolph over Lamar Jackson Expand And I would rather have Mayfield or Allen over Rudolph.
OldTimer1960 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:00 AM, jrober38 said: Rudolph is a 3rd/4th round prospect. No difference between him and prospects like Landry Jones or Bryce Petty. Expand How do you know that? Is it because you read an anonymous quote attributed to a scout? I remember the Bills flat out stating prior to the draft that Cordy Glenn could not play OT and then drafting him to play OT.
Buffalo716 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 10:32 PM, formerlyofCtown said: And I would rather have Mayfield or Allen over Rudolph. Expand I do think Mayfield is well ahead of Rudolph as of today
jrober38 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 10:32 PM, OldTimer1960 said: How do you know that? Is it because you read an anonymous quote attributed to a scout? I remember the Bills flat out stating prior to the draft that Cordy Glenn could not play OT and then drafting him to play OT. Expand Watch him play. He's a system QB who has a mediocre arm, no mobility and only decent accuracy. As I said, he's the same guy as Bryce Petty and Landry Jones. How are those guys doing as pros?
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