Dan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, nucci said: I agree also with how Kim P is handling it . I just don't get not watching a football game because players are kneeling during the anthem. If I'm not at the game I don't listen to the anthem on TV. Same here. 1 minute ago, White Linen said: You're missing an important point though which is the actual problem from a business perspective only. The significant amount of customers didn't like it and it cost the business money. So it's much more than just performing job duties and owners being ok with it - heck they could even agree - but if it eventually effects what funds the business it has to be addressed. Exactly... Hence players need to be aware that they're potentially biting the hand that feeds them, and there could be consequences to those actions up to and including unemployment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, PolishDave said: Do you know the whole story or are you making assumptions that you hope are true? The only assumption I am making is that Martin wasn't hacked. I'm comfortable with that assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Honestly , i have heard not one cogent response , other than the original premise for Kaep kneeling. IMHO, it went off the rails. otherwise Nucci and buff atl boy answered you adequately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, White Linen said: You're missing an important point though which is the actual problem from a business perspective only. The significant amount of customers didn't like it and it cost the business money. So it's much more than just performing job duties and owners being ok with it - heck they could even agree - but if it eventually effects what funds the business it has to be addressed. Well, we're not missing that point — that's why Kim Pegula is doing outreach, to protect the business interests. 2 minutes ago, Dan said: Again..l'm in complete agreement. I feel exactly the same. Unfortunately, few corporations (and that's essentailly what the league is) agree with us. So...we have to shut up and do as we're told. Or go find a new job. The league is in a precarious position with the players, because they can't fire them all. But, that doesn't change the point that the players are flirting with losing their job, just as Kaep may have. Its the risk anyone takes that stands up to the man. Fortunately, he has millions to fall back on. I don't. Lol. Exactly right. You and I definitely don't have the same platform as the NFL players do, and we have less leverage. But that's also why what the players are doing is important, from the labor perspective, and why I hope they stay unified, so that it's harder to single them out like they were able to do to Kaep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, White Linen said: Nucci and buff atl boy answered you adequately. huh? you mean by what the Media said? ok. im convinced now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dan said: Exactly... Hence players need to be aware that they're potentially biting the hand that feeds them, and there could be consequences to those actions up to and including unemployment. You're right. For example, I didn't really like seeing the protests, it bothered me on some level but not to the point I stopped watching. My brother, who's not as rabid of a Bills fan that I am, stopped watching. He just didn't want to watch and felt strong enough about it to find something else to do - and in fact called and said I'm not going to buy your sons anything Bills related this year for Christmas, which he normally does. We live in Charlotte and he'll usually find something cool to get them. The players didn't feel the immediate financial impact because it didn't trickle down to them but the NFL did. Kim answered the question beautifully. Understand the impact you as players had on the business before it eventually effects you or effects you more. Obviously everyone has the right to say, I understand or don't care to understand the impact because either way I feel morally obligated to follow through. Then in that scenario the person is willing to accept any consequences that come their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, White Linen said: You're missing an important point though which is the actual problem from a business perspective only. The significant amount of customers didn't like it and it cost the business money. So it's much more than just performing job duties and owners being ok with it - heck they could even agree - but if it eventually effects what funds the business it has to be addressed. I’m not necessarily doubting your info, but are there any hard studies on the negative economic impact of the player protests on NFL bottom lines? I doubt there was little if any at all. Sure, there are the spattering of fans burning NFL merchandise on YouTube along with some social media declarations of fans vowing never to watch a game again, but are they enough to offset the billions of dollars in revenue already guaranteed to the league? It would hav to be a grass roots movement in the millions to start having an impact. I just don’t see it. Edited February 23, 2018 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Honestly , i have heard not one cogent response , other than the original premise for Kaep kneeling. IMHO, it went off the rails. otherwise Here. Here are just a few of the articles I found with a quick google search on the subject. Many In the players own words - https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/05/themmqb-meaning-behind-anthem-protests-malcolm-jenkins-anquan-boldin-nfl-racial-inequality https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/26/anquan-boldin-why-nfl-players-protest https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/ http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/09/nfl-players-explain-why-they-protested https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/28/16376500/nfl-protests-2017-kneeling-national-anthem-why http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nfl-protest-players-explain-why-donald-trump_uk_59c8cbd5e4b0cdc773325005 I thought many gave clear, well thought out reasons but that's just me... Edited February 23, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Here. Here are just a few of the articles I found with a quick google search on the subject. Many In the players own words - https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/05/themmqb-meaning-behind-anthem-protests-malcolm-jenkins-anquan-boldin-nfl-racial-inequality https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/26/anquan-boldin-why-nfl-players-protest https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/ http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/09/nfl-players-explain-why-they-protested https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/28/16376500/nfl-protests-2017-kneeling-national-anthem-why http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nfl-protest-players-explain-why-donald-trump_uk_59c8cbd5e4b0cdc773325005 I thought many gave clear, well thought out reasons but that's just me... Thanks. i now have seen the light. Edited February 23, 2018 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Well, we're not missing that point — that's why Kim Pegula is doing outreach, to protect the business interests. Exactly right. You and I definitely don't have the same platform as the NFL players do, and we have less leverage. But that's also why what the players are doing is important, from the labor perspective, and why I hope they stay unified, so that it's harder to single them out like they were able to do to Kaep. I'm not trying to pretend to know you're thoughts outside of what you post - I just went off you posting "All that should matter to the company is "is the work is getting done?" So if the football games are still being played, if the athletes are still performing on the field, my personal belief is that should be all that matters. IMO." I just responded saying that's not all that matters - then you agreed. I don't know why you said that's all that matters - when there's more that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knicks&Bills Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, uticaclub said: Most the players don't even know what the are "protesting" Imagine if u decided to protest at work. These players are entitled brats, but I won’t let them steal my joy of watching football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Thanks. i now have seen the light. Dwight in Philly knows what Malcom Jenkins thinks better than Malcom Jenkins does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Dwight in Philly knows what Malcom Jenkins thinks better than Malcom Jenkins does. ? well thought out! Edited February 23, 2018 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Employer- employee. If you don't like the rules here don't let the door hit you on the way out. Show some respect. I really don't care what their political feelings are. Your paid to play football. Paid a lot. Get a life. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, dwight in philly said: Thanks. i now have seen the light. There is absolutely no way that you could have even skimmed through all those links, let alone actually read or listened to what they had to say, in the less than 3 minutes between me posting it and you quoting me. I figured you werent actually asking what they were protesting.This just confirmed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, dwight in philly said: ? well thought out! You’d know best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: You’d know best. thank you! finally someone who gets it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, dwight in philly said: thank you! finally someone who gets it! I always trust people who insist they are the true authority on what others think. Btw I’m planning dinner what are my favorite foods, you obviously know them better than I do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, nucci said: I think they do More like 'most fans don't know what the players are protesting' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Batman1876 said: I always trust people who insist they are the true authority on what others think. Btw I’m planning dinner what are my favorite foods, you obviously know them better than I do. ok.. i am thinking maybe lemon chicken.. (use a bit of the zest , its worth it ) . roasted potatos, maybe a side salad, and a green leafy vegatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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