Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: Wrong. Peterman was the starter that game and the Bills were winning when he got injured. Webb nearly blew the game by not scoring the rest of the game until OT and throwing an INT that set the Colts up for a chance to win. It sounds like you are blaming the near loss on our Special Teams specialist/back up WR? Shouldn't we blame Peterman for having the bright idea to dive headfirst into the defense with no back up QB on the roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: It sounds like you are blaming the near loss on our Special Teams specialist/back up WR? Shouldn't we blame Peterman for having the bright idea to dive headfirst into the defense with no back up QB on the roster? I'm just saying that it was Nathan Peterman's win against the Colts. He was the starter and they were winning when he went out. That guy is trying to act like Joe Webb won it more than Peterman did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Peterman wasn't ready and was pathetic....... Maybe one day he'll be ready, like Fales was vs. the Bills...... You guys are pathetic in your defense of the decision and his play...... Please point out the 2 good passes he threw and that 3 of the Ints weren't his fault. I need that one again. And Teef I'm not arguing, you don't listen to Simmons and I simply pointed out the conversation. Isn't this thread about the two old coots on PTI making fun of Peterman and they know nothing either? You said you were going away...can it happen now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: I'm just saying that it was Nathan Peterman's win against the Colts. He was the starter and they were winning when he went out. That guy is trying to act like Joe Webb won it more than Peterman did. Yes this is true, the starter gets credit for the win even though NP didn't finish the game. And I don't believe it would have come down to Joe Webbs play/overtime anyway had NP not left the game in the 3rd quarter. Bottom line is that NP still showed a lot of promise this year despite the Chargers debacle. Edited January 3, 2018 by SaviorPeterman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You said you were going away...can it happen now? I think I said after the Bills are eliminated. Again stating facts and you?????? 5 Ints in a half didn't happen????? Please how about some McDermott speak or sideline clapping...... "I made the right decision, just the outcome wasn't what we expected"....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Peterman wasn't ready and was pathetic....... Maybe one day he'll be ready, like Fales was vs. the Bills...... You guys are pathetic in your defense of the decision and his play...... Please point out the 2 good passes he threw and that 3 of the Ints weren't his fault. I need that one again. And Teef I'm not arguing, you don't listen to Simmons and I simply pointed out the conversation. Isn't this thread about the two old coots on PTI making fun of Peterman and they know nothing either? i hear ya. i don't think anything isn't saying it was a mistake. it was. i just don't know why you're deciding to latch onto it. it was a poor choice, mcd went back to tyrod, and the bills made the playoffs. listen, we know you don't like this staff mostly because of the watkins trade, but not you're just hanging on one decision to define their first year hear. i don't know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: What does that have to do with McClown? Surely you don't mean to call a Fist time First year head coach that broke Buffalo Bills records all throughout September and put together a team that reached the playoffs a clown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, teef said: i hear ya. i don't think anything isn't saying it was a mistake. it was. i just don't know why you're deciding to latch onto it. it was a poor choice, mcd went back to tyrod, and the bills made the playoffs. listen, we know you don't like this staff mostly because of the watkins trade, but not you're just hanging on one decision to define their first year hear. i don't know why. Again I've been a fan since 1972 and yes I did not like that they went into tank mode with the trades in the preseason. I have been honest and forthright about it. Never had I started a season under the premise that they aren't playing for season, but draft picks and 2-3 seasons down the road. That is what this staff preached and their actions showed prior to week 1. I can't stand how they run the offence and that Shady is seemingly stuffed every first down rush as the opponents stack the line and know the call. Turtling in the second half and the Prevent Offense kills me. A lot that has turned me off this year, but I have watched and cheered every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I think I said after the Bills are eliminated. Again stating facts and you?????? 5 Ints in a half didn't happen????? Please how about some McDermott speak or sideline clapping...... "I made the right decision, just the outcome wasn't what we expected"....... Why does it have to be when the Bills are eliminated when you don't provide anything of substance on here except obsess over Sammy Watkins? I state a lot of facts all the time....you generally complain and even made a complaining thread after we made the playoffs. 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again I've been a fan since 1972 and yes I did not like that they went into tank mode with the trades in the preseason. I have been honest and forthright about it. Never had I started a season under the premise that they aren't playing for season, but draft picks and 2-3 seasons down the road. That is what this staff preached and their actions showed prior to week 1. I can't stand how they run the offence and that Shady is seemingly stuffed every first down rush as the opponents stack the line and know the call. Turtling in the second half and the Prevent Offense kills me. A lot that has turned me off this year, but I have watched and cheered every game. They do that because we aren't a threat throwing the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Peterman wasn't ready and was pathetic....... Maybe one day he'll be ready, like Fales was vs. the Bills...... You guys are pathetic in your defense of the decision and his play...... Please point out the 2 good passes he threw and that 3 of the Ints weren't his fault. I need that one again. And Teef I'm not arguing, you don't listen to Simmons and I simply pointed out the conversation. Isn't this thread about the two old coots on PTI making fun of Peterman and they know nothing either? 9-7, in playoffs. Get over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Waiting for the Mason Rudolph ERA to begin in September. LOL! Trade Tyrod for whatever the market price is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Not like any other QBs have had terrible games in the history of the NFL. 9/24 J. Flacco 8/18 28 yds 2 Ints 12/24 R. Wilson 14/21 93 yds 2 TDs 4 terrible games this year ALONE thats 1/4th of your season Edited January 3, 2018 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: You’re missing your own point here. I understand you’re saying bad things can happen and great qbs can have bad games as well. But when Ben has a bad game does anyone question whether he was ready to play? Does anyone question the coach for starting him? Does anyone question whether he will start the next week or the remainder of the year? With all due respect, your analogy with Ben was not a good one at all. You are comparing apples and oranges here . Every single great QB has had terrible games. I don’t think anyone is arguing that if that’s your main point . Theres a massive difference when a 5th round rookie gets thrown into a game in which he clearly wasn’t ready for vs. A future hall of famer who just had a bad game Was Roethlisberger ready for the Jaguars game? He threw 5 INTs too. I agree with you -- It's highly unlikely, considering his resume. Dude probably just had a really bad day at the office. Worst game of the 2017 NFL season by a QB. Was Peterman ready? Considering he demonstrated reasonable rookie proficiency and competence at the position in his limited mop-up duty, I don't see any evidence that anyone can say with absolute certainty that the kid was going to be a disaster. Had he gone into the Saints game and looked like Matt Leinart in the preseason a few years ago, then you'd definitely have a case. But he didn't. He actually looked pretty good in garbage time. Put up better numbers in 5 minutes than Taylor did over the course of the previous 55 minutes. Of course, it was against a Saints defense that had mailed it in, but at that point of the season, Taylor had put the Bills into desperation mode at the position. So it was better than nothing. Taylor literally gave them no other choice but to start someone else at QB. Your argument concerning Peterman's "readiness" is further weakened by the kid's performance against the Colts. There was a situation where a rookie QB could absolutely be expected to fall apart -- playing a game in never-before-seen, historically bad weather conditions, further compounded by his previous start against the Chargers, and he went in there and looked every bit the part of an NFL QB, especially on the TD throw to Benjamin. So to claim that McDermott is an unbelievable idiot because it was clearly obvious to everyone in the world that Peterman was going to throw 5 INTs against the Chargers is simply not true. And it's even dumber to use that as some kind of support for keeping Taylor as the starter, since he was primarily responsible for putting the team in such a dire situation on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Why does it have to be when the Bills are eliminated when you don't provide anything of substance on here except obsess over Sammy Watkins? I state a lot of facts all the time....you generally complain and even made a complaining thread after we made the playoffs. They do that because we aren't a threat throwing the ball. No they don't throw the ball..... No idea if they are a threat or not with lousy OC, Playcalling and formations that every team sees and know. How about you cite something of substance....... Oops asking too much. 1 minute ago, twoandfourteen said: Was Roethlisberger ready for the Jaguars game? He threw 5 INTs too. I agree with you -- It's highly unlikely, considering his resume. Dude probably just had a really bad day at the office. Worst game of the 2017 NFL season by a QB. Was Peterman ready? Considering he demonstrated reasonable rookie proficiency and competence at the position in his limited mop-up duty, I don't see any evidence that anyone can say with absolute certainty that the kid was going to be a disaster. Had he gone into the Saints game and looked like Matt Leinart in the preseason a few years ago, then you'd definitely have a case. But he didn't. He actually looked pretty good in garbage time. Put up better numbers in 5 minutes than Taylor did over the course of the previous 55 minutes. Of course, it was against a Saints defense that had mailed it in, but at that point of the season, Taylor had put the Bills into desperation mode at the position. So it was better than nothing. Taylor literally gave them no other choice but to start someone else at QB. Your argument concerning Peterman's "readiness" is further weakened by the kid's performance against the Colts. There was a situation where a rookie QB could absolutely be expected to fall apart -- playing a game in never-before-seen, historically bad weather conditions, further compounded by his previous start against the Chargers, and he went in there and looked every bit the part of an NFL QB, especially on the TD throw to Benjamin. So to claim that McDermott is an unbelievable idiot because it was clearly obvious to everyone in the world that Peterman was going to throw 5 INTs against the Chargers is simply not true. And it's even dumber to use that as some kind of support for keeping Taylor as the starter, since he was primarily responsible for putting the team in such a dire situation on offense. You mean when the foot was 100% off the gas and primarily backup only...... Yes the INT Tyrod threw that bounced off Clay's hands? Oh oh, here comes the defense of Peterman and the DiMarco int vs. LAC........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: No they don't throw the ball..... No idea if they are a threat or not with lousy OC, Playcalling and formations that every team sees and know. How about you cite something of substance....... Oops asking too much. They don't throw the ball? Really? We have 476 pass attempts and 487 rushing attempts. That is almost completely balanced. Is that enough substance for you? I feel like bumping your pathetic "enough is enough thread" because that was legendarily bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: Yes this is true, the starter gets credit for the win even though NP didn't finish the game. And I don't believe it would have come down to Joe Webbs play/overtime anyway had NP not left the game in the 3rd quarter. Bottom line is that NP still showed a lot of promise this year despite the Chargers debacle. Nope. This is the bottom line : Nathan Peterman, 24-49 49.0% completion 252 yds 5.14 yds per attempt 21 yds, longest completion 2 touchdowns 5 interceptions 38.4 passer rating 11.1 qbr 63 yds per game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: They don't throw the ball? Really? We have 476 pass attempts and 487 rushing attempts. That is almost completely balanced. Is that enough substance for you? I feel like bumping your pathetic "enough is enough thread" because that was legendarily bad. Actually that is 31st in passing attempts and 6th in rushing attempts...... That pretty much tells you that other teams are prepped for rushes..... Balanced in the NFL is closer to 55%...... Anomalies would be a team like Jacksonville, which had 6-7 blowouts...... Keep on posting stoopid comments.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No it was the expected disaster and result 95% of professionals and those not with skin in the game (i.e. fans) predicted would happen. A complete disaster/meltdown/5 Ints maybe not, but the best case scenario would have been a bad game, which is what one expectrs from a 5th round rookie in his first start..... 1. Not true. Revisionist history is a fool's game. 2. All the more reason why their opinions mean nothing, especially after the fact. On this one, I'll side with the guys who had something to lose. 3. After multiple very poor performances, Taylor set the bar so low with 56 yards against New Orleans that taking this risk was a preferable option. What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, grb said: Nope. This is the bottom line : Nathan Peterman, 24-49 49.0% completion 252 yds 5.14 yds per attempt 21 yds, longest completion 2 touchdowns 5 interceptions 38.4 passer rating 11.1 qbr 63 yds per game HOF or MVP?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again I've been a fan since 1972 and yes I did not like that they went into tank mode with the trades in the preseason. I have been honest and forthright about it. Never had I started a season under the premise that they aren't playing for season, but draft picks and 2-3 seasons down the road. That is what this staff preached and their actions showed prior to week 1. I can't stand how they run the offence and that Shady is seemingly stuffed every first down rush as the opponents stack the line and know the call. Turtling in the second half and the Prevent Offense kills me. A lot that has turned me off this year, but I have watched and cheered every game. but the bills didn't go into tank more with the trades in the preseason. they got rid of guys while getting valuable picks. apparently they felt they didn't need the bloated contracts and ****ty attitudes to win, and they were right. as other have mentioned, the bills offense is seriously limited by the qb. i say this as someone who likes tt. like him or not, i can admit he just doesn't throw the ball well on a consistent basis. i don't mind tt on this team, but he certainly isn't a guy you build around. if they draft a qb high, and keep tt on for a year or two while the next guy learns, i'm more than ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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