3rdnlng Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, westerndecline said: Either youre going nuts with energy use or completely ignorant or dogmatic I am well aware of the cost... Cant wait until you oil corporations are out of business I have to admire your Libertarian bent. (- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, sherpa said: My ideology? Please. Stop. When I built this house with a garage that faces true south, I had the garage roof framed in a manner that would support a solar system. It requires additional load capacity. I also had a chase built in to accommodate the wiring and battery system and inverter. I am extremely aware of how much it costs. To date, it is not competitive. The average American household consumes about 12 kwh/year. In my case, the best current estimate I have to be off the grid, which I have no intent of doing-but for arguments sake, is 40 panels and about $38k. The guy who lives near my church just put a 24 panel array on his roof. It doesn't come close to providing his total electrical need, but does a good bit of it. I am certain you don't know what is involved, or what it costs. In absolutely no way is it cost effective-yet. Yeah, them things ain't cheap. That said, when you get a 10k rebate on some of the setups then they get reasonable. But, most people don't have the money, regardless. I mean, I wish I had a Tesla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, westerndecline said: He still has his utilities. His bill is virtually zero The initial infrastructure is expensive Solar panels can last for 20 yrs... Need little to no basic maintenance Same with wind Once a international green grid is established Well bye bye energy companies You obviously haven't looked at forecasted demand for electricity. It's a pipe dream that we'd go even majority green in most of our lifetimes. I'm all for more renewable and clean sources of energy, but it ain't there yet cost or supply-wise. Nothing wrong in my book in building more nuke plants and continuing R&D for better disposal methods of waste from energy generated from fossil fuels. As for California, the state needs money to fund its gigantic social costs and to keep Dems in power. Expect more taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 39 minutes ago, westerndecline said: Either youre going nuts with energy use or completely ignorant or dogmatic I am well aware of the cost... Cant wait until you oil corporations are out of business I am not "going nuts with energy use." I've installed a hot water solar in the house I lived in in California, and have followed the solar voltaic industry for years. I also run the HVAC energy use at our church, remotely, from my house. I pay attention to this stuff. I don't think you have any idea about this issue. It started with your friend installing a solar panel, and has gone down hill from there. You are in over your head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, sherpa said: I am not "going nuts with energy use." I've installed a hot water solar in the house I lived in in California, and have followed the solar voltaic industry for years. I also run the HVAC energy use at our church, remotely, from my house. I pay attention to this stuff. I don't think you have any idea about this issue. It started with your friend installing a solar panel, and has gone down hill from there. You are in over your head. Elaborate on the kwh u use at your home Calculate for one person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, sherpa said: I am not "going nuts with energy use." I've installed a hot water solar in the house I lived in in California, and have followed the solar voltaic industry for years. I also run the HVAC energy use at our church, remotely, from my house. I pay attention to this stuff. I don't think you have any idea about this issue. It started with your friend installing a solar panel, and has gone down hill from there. You are in over your head. So far, the list of things he has any idea about is precisely nothing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerndecline Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 49 minutes ago, DC Tom said: So far, the list of things he has any idea about is precisely nothing. Ad hominem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, westerndecline said: Elaborate on the kwh u use at your home Calculate for one person Its gets more efficient the more people you have, so calculating it for one would make it all the more senseless. You may not have figured that out, and I'm not going to responsible for your education. Edited December 14, 2017 by sherpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 58 minutes ago, westerndecline said: Ad hominem Yes, THAT was ad hominem. Use a phrase randomly enough times, and eventually you accudentally use it correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 12/13/2017 at 10:34 PM, DC Tom said: A per-spark tax on spark plugs...because electricity generation contributes to global warming! Maryland already taxes rain, so I think they've got CA beat in the absurdity department. How do they manage to tax rain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, Greybeard said: How do they manage to tax rain? They tax the square footage of all non-impervious property which causes runoff. IE pavement, rooftops, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: They tax the square footage of all non-impervious property which causes runoff. IE pavement, rooftops, etc. If it's over a certain amount - i.e. if your driveway is 25% of your lot. Theoretically, it funds Chesapeake Bay conservation efforts (because, runoff). In actuality...yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: If it's over a certain amount - i.e. if your driveway is 25% of your lot. Theoretically, it funds Chesapeake Bay conservation efforts (because, runoff). In actuality...yeah, right. Of course it doesn't. Legislatures never tie their own hands like that. Everything gets cycled into the general fund, with additional spending mandates added, this way pet projects can be funded, and revenue shortfalls met with additional taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: If it's over a certain amount - i.e. if your driveway is 25% of your lot. Theoretically, it funds Chesapeake Bay conservation efforts (because, runoff). In actuality...yeah, right. Do they not require detention ponds on commercial sites in Maryland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Do they not require detention ponds on commercial sites in Maryland? No idea. It's a residential tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: No idea. It's a residential tax. I assume that the residents are taxed for storm sewers and the infrastructure to hold or dispense of the water. The commercial sites would have either an above ground detention pond or a below ground tank or series of large pipes to hold water until it can be dispensed. They are being taxed twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I'm actually taxed for the storm water system, AND for the specific storm drain that runs through my property because the easement for it is paved, which increases my lot's impermeable surface to greater than the threshold, so I have to pay the rain tax. AND I have to pay to maintain the damn storm drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'm actually taxed for the storm water system, AND for the specific storm drain that runs through my property because the easement for it is paved, which increases my lot's impermeable surface to greater than the threshold, so I have to pay the rain tax. AND I have to pay to maintain the damn storm drain. that's ****ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 hours ago, DC Tom said: I'm actually taxed for the storm water system, AND for the specific storm drain that runs through my property because the easement for it is paved, which increases my lot's impermeable surface to greater than the threshold, so I have to pay the rain tax. AND I have to pay to maintain the damn storm drain. Thought your wife worked w/ realtors. How'd you go from a place that was overlooking the Pentagon crash to one where you get to pay extra for (lack of) drainage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, Taro T said: Thought your wife worked w/ realtors. How'd you go from a place that was overlooking the Pentagon crash to one where you get to pay extra for (lack of) drainage? We bought before they passed that law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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