Luka Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Wrong. He's a major reason for the improvement for the Rams offense. I will gladly wage that he gets at least $10 million / year. I'm sure Jordan Matthews (he has the same stats as Sammy!) will be looking for it as well. Doesn't mean they should get it. Benjamin seems to be a downward trend. This is the second time Carolina lost him and their team seems to improve. It's weird. LOL. Less production than in Buffalo and has played more games this year. 4th on the team in receptions. He's still that one trick pony, couple games with a long TD catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Doc said: Good grief! A $13-14M/year deal for a guy who hasn't had a 1,000 yard season since 2014 and is on-pace for just 900 yards with the Eagles this year? ...hope you're not SERIOUSLY looking for monetary sanity in today's NFL...........poor Willie Sutton coulda made MORE in the NFL legitimately versus robbing banks....major looters like Haynesworth, The Cutlet, Flacco and even "Tag Boy Cousins" come to mind quickly...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, Luka said: LOL. Less production than in Buffalo and has played more games this year. 4th on the team in receptions. He's still that one trick pony, couple games with a long TD catch. YOur ability to look at box scores is amazing. You ability to understand football, not so much. who do you think Patrick Patterson is covering this week? Cooper Kupp or Sammy Watkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, Luka said: LOL. Less production than in Buffalo and has played more games this year. 4th on the team in receptions. He's still that one trick pony, couple games with a long TD catch. If you watch the Rams games, you would see the impact he has on the offense and what exactly they are asking him to do within the pass route concepts. It's about way more than Goff taking a downfield shot ( usually off target) now and then. Goff usually looks underneath and throws to Kupp far more often. I'd expect if the Rams keep Watkins his role in the offense will change somewhat and he'll have an offseason of ota's and minicamps etc to develop a better chemistry with Goff . Watkins wasn't a one trick pony in Buffalo, and still isn't. That was Goodwin, who mostly just runs straight line routes and is diminutive in stature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 25 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: But since Wentz is on a rookie contract, they can afford to give lots of talented players 2-4 year contracts before breaking the bank for him - no guarantee the drafted WR can be a plug-and-play talent on Jeffery's level Jordan Matthews Stats Does not compute Fair point but AJ is a huge injury risk. Is becoming very wary of investing too much into him. Wentz looks like a Brady type where he can elevate his WRs. I think you could draft a guy and have Wentz make him into a player and use that AJ money elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: YOur ability to look at box scores is amazing. You ability to understand football, not so much. who do you think Patrick Patterson is covering this week? Cooper Kupp or Sammy Watkins? Big time number 1 guys still get theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Chimp said: Big time number 1 guys still get theirs. You mean like Jordy Nelson? Or how about Julio's 1 td before last week? Receiver is the most dependent position in football. If you think Woods and Kupp would have the same production without Sammy, I question your football knowledge. Goff has a weaker arm and the Rams are taking what defenses are giving them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I would hate it. He's declined every year inthe league and really struggles with injuries. Im fine with a one year prove it deal. KB is super talented but his injuries are a huge concern. I wish the Bills just would have kept Sammy, who's two years younger and crazily more healthy. But I'm an idiot! While you may have wanted sammy...would he have wanted to resign here? He was complaining about targets and seemed frustrated with the team. Why would he want to stay? That's a big reason why he was moved, so we actually get something out of it. I don't blame them for wanting to get something for the future instead of one year with Sammy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Doc said: Good grief! A $13-14M/year deal for a guy who hasn't had a 1,000 yard season since 2014 and is on-pace for just 900 yards with the Eagles this year? I know. Just nine hundred yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: I know. Just nine hundred yards. ....three games for Taylor, right?...j/k....couldn't resist.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 33 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: While you may have wanted sammy...would he have wanted to resign here? He was complaining about targets and seemed frustrated with the team. Why would he want to stay? That's a big reason why he was moved, so we actually get something out of it. I don't blame them for wanting to get something for the future instead of one year with Sammy They would have had two seasons with Watkins ( thru 2018) if they had picked up the option. Plenty of time to get a new starting QB and make Watkins a focal point of the offense. Of course , if the Bills didn't try to improve the QB position or run a suitable offense then likely no WR would be all that interested . 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You mean like Jordy Nelson? Or how about Julio's 1 td before last week? Receiver is the most dependent position in football. If you think Woods and Kupp would have the same production without Sammy, I question your football knowledge. Goff has a weaker arm and the Rams are taking what defenses are giving them. Exactly, the brilliance of the Rams offense lies in its design. It's the old adage about playing chess vs checkers. There was a reason that McVay and Co coveted Watkins. Not sure why anyone would think that Bills fans are smarter than McVay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 15 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: They would have had two seasons with Watkins ( thru 2018) if they had picked up the option. Plenty of time to get a new starting QB and make Watkins a focal point of the offense. Of course , if the Bills didn't try to improve the QB position or run a suitable offense then likely no WR would be all that interested . Exactly, the brilliance of the Rams offense lies in its design. It's the old adage about playing chess vs checkers. There was a reason that McVay and Co coveted Watkins. Not sure why anyone would think that Bills fans are smarter than McVay. Bills fans questioned BElichick for signing Gilmore. 53 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: While you may have wanted sammy...would he have wanted to resign here? He was complaining about targets and seemed frustrated with the team. Why would he want to stay? That's a big reason why he was moved, so we actually get something out of it. I don't blame them for wanting to get something for the future instead of one year with Sammy He wanted more targets and he was right. The GM admitted that he never talked to Sammy about his long term plans before the trade. bills fans are so stuck on sunken costs. Sammy might not have dominated every year and has problem with injuries. But he is very good and better than Matthews and Benjamin. It would have been great for a young qb and Tyrod this year to have him to throw to. Matthews will walk and it could be a huge mistake to sign KB to big money. Then, we have to invest a high pick on a receiver who will take time to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Bills fans questioned BElichick for signing Gilmore. He wanted more targets and he was right. The GM admitted that he never talked to Sammy about his long term plans before the trade. bills fans are so stuck on sunken costs. Sammy might not have dominated every year and has problem with injuries. But he is very good and better than Matthews and Benjamin. It would have been great for a young qb and Tyrod this year to have him to throw to. Matthews will walk and it could be a huge mistake to sign KB to big money. Then, we have to invest a high pick on a receiver who will take time to develop. Good point. Short of being Jerry Rice, Watkins wasn't going to be worth the cost expended to draft him. That said, his value to the team was probably going to be greater than just a 2nd round pick that they were able to get in return. He'd be an asset for any QB, even Taylor who he had put up some numbers with in the past. If he had stayed with the team for a longer term, he'd certainly be worth more than most of the team's first round picks in the last 10 years or so. The vast majority of which have ended up on the NFL scrap heap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 37 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: They would have had two seasons with Watkins ( thru 2018) if they had picked up the option. Plenty of time to get a new starting QB and make Watkins a focal point of the offense. Of course , if the Bills didn't try to improve the QB position or run a suitable offense then likely no WR would be all that interested . Actually Sammy's option was declined before Beane was in the building. Doesn't mean McDermott didn't play a hand in that. However, to say there was plenty of time for them to get a new QB and make Watkins the focal point of the offense isn't quite right. We weren't drafting a QB this past draft because we didn't even have our new GM yet. You don't want him to take on a rookie QB that he didn't select. So, then there's this upcoming year. You'd be giving the rookie and Sammy 1 season to find the chemistry and become highly productive enough for where he'd want to stay. As Sammy noted himself on a few occasions, he was a very statistical egotistical player here. To say he would've wanted to stay here after 1 year with a rookie QB is a stretch at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 (edited) I didn't mention anything about who was here at the time of the decision , just that it could have been made. The Bills could have drafted a QB such as Watson with their pick at 10. There is no way of knowing if they considered that move or any others. They certainly didn't know what would be offered to them if they traded out. Sammy Watkins put up numbers with Taylor before, so that could have worked for now. Watkins will have exactly one season without a full training camp or any ota's / mini camps with the Rams to decide if he wants to stay there or not. There is also the matter of a franchise tag that the Rams can use and the Bills could have too. It's not even close to a stretch to say that 2017 and 2018 would have been enough time for him or any other player to get a feel for the direction of the Bills as an organization. He said he wanted to stay here, so there is that to factor in as well. Edited December 2, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: YOur ability to look at box scores is amazing. You ability to understand football, not so much. who do you think Patrick Patterson is covering this week? Cooper Kupp or Sammy Watkins? Are we back to the greatest decoy of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fair point but AJ is a huge injury risk. Is becoming very wary of investing too much into him. Wentz looks like a Brady type where he can elevate his WRs. I think you could draft a guy and have Wentz make him into a player and use that AJ money elsewhere. Disagree. Wentz is a franchise QB but still very very young. Once you have a franchise QB, I think WR becomes the most important position for a football team. With that said, 13m a year is a huge number for a guy that has battled injuries but it does ensure that Wentz has a reliable weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You mean like Jordy Nelson? Or how about Julio's 1 td before last week? Receiver is the most dependent position in football. If you think Woods and Kupp would have the same production without Sammy, I question your football knowledge. Goff has a weaker arm and the Rams are taking what defenses are giving them. Right, which is why you don't pay a guy like Sammy without a QB. When you have a Wentz, you can make that deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I think it also speaks to what Jordan Mathews will likely get and people were questioning the Sammy Watkins trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 The comparisons between Jeffrey and Watkins are a stretch. Jeffrey has been far more productive. They've both had durability issues, but Jeffrey logged 1400+ yd and 1100+ yd seasons, and was on pace for another 1400+ yd season before getting injured in 2015, and was on pace for a 1000+ yd season through 12 games in 2016 with Matt Barkley and Brian Hoyer throwing most of the passes. Watkins had one big season where he had 1047 yds in 13 games. In no other season has he reached 1000 yds even if you extrapolate what he would have had at his pace over 16 games. That includes this year. That's not to say he isn't talented or productive, but he hasn't produced anywhere near the level Jeffrey has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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