SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 you joined a 3 days ago. You account wasn't active when the announcement was made. Or do you have multiple accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 It's third and twelve and Tyrod dances around ignoring open receivers and throws it to Tolbert for 3 yards. YUP, my vote is for Petersen. Over Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Yes. If the Bills were for real, they would have beat the Jets and beat them badly. But the real Bills team showed up (the one built on character instead of talent). And boy, high character or not, they suck as a football team. the Deadskins took the Saints to OT in the Super Dome thats how bad we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRM33064 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 All this McDermott backlash, you'd think he benched Brady. Good grief. Perhaps all these media geniuses long for the days of Dick Jauron, when we really hated turnovers, except when we loved them and called them punts. And we loved playing it safe. And tried not to lose. And we'd, you know, try to make sure that, we kept this fragile, turnover-ratio-propped-up 5 win team "in the hunt", with a defense that gets more porous by the minute. Puuuuuleease. We've all been abused to have absurdly low expectations. Which usually get met. McDermott took a chance on a kid, showed a pair - a huge pair - undoubtedly believing that: (a) Tyrod is not the future; and (b) the team's chances to beat the Chargers, Chiefs, the Patriots (twice), etc. are, with both a porous defense and Tyrod starting, SLIM at best. And if you say you didn't get a little bit charged (if you'll forgive the pun) with that first pass Nate threw to Benjamin, you're just lying. One pass does not a QB make, but for a brief moment I (and I'll bet most of Bills Nation) thought: maybe?!?! The football gods even noticed. And .... There goes Benjamin, out. Then, DOINGGGGG, right off DiMarco's moderately-useless hands, and the ball doesn't go sideways or hit the turf; rather, it goes conveniently upward and right into the hands of the defense. And of course, they run it all the way back for a TD, which I wasn't even sure should've counted. CURSED. Or, more accurately: REGRESSED! All those crazy-town bounces that went our way in those 5 wins, they're back going the other way now. And reality came back home. Please do NOT get on McDermott because he saw little practical or likely upside in Tyrod and this defense, and took a swing for both the short-term and the future. Please don't turn him into another gutless, fearful place-occupier whose greatest ambition is to keep-it-close. I like watching Tyrod pull off crazy-great runs as much as anyone, and he can throw a killer deep ball (every 6 weeks or so when he does it), but there's a reason why he took a pay cut to come back to a losing team as a (not-guaranteed) starter. He came back to the BILLS, to make LESS MONEY and maybe not even start. So maybe Nate is a dud (I don't think he is), but this wasn't exactly the greatest gamble of all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, section122 said: This is the double talk that is driving me crazy. If Tyrod is good he should have no problem at Arrowhead. However there is no way you could put Peterman in such a difficult situation. They probably aren't beating SD regardless of who is starting? So Tyrod couldn't beat a 3-6 team but should have no problem beating a 6-4 team? This is the only time it could be done? Why? If he played even halfway decent he would be starting against KC and NE in starts 2 and 3. Is that really any different? The gymnastics to defend this decision are incredible. Peterman should have been put in if it had to be done when the season was completely over. Not when the team is 5-4 and the 6 seed. Regardless of how people feel about the playoff hopes the reality is they were (and unbelievably still are) there for the taking. I agree with the last sentence of your post though. At any time they can turn it around this is after all the NFL. I don't think any of us are expecting it but it could certainly happen. The Bills are going to have to, as a team, decide if they want to quit or fight. That's from the HC on down. If you can't see the difference between starting a rookie in a hornets nest stadium full of Rabid Chiefs fans and a rinky dink soccer stadium in LA with no partisan crowd then I'm not sure what to tell you. Forget the records, the Bills were 5-2 this season. The NP switch had little chance of working, but Tyrod wasn't winning that game the way he had been playing of late. Certainly not vs Lynn, who knows his every weakness and how to defend him. I was surprised by the decision , as it was not conservative but it really was the only spot in could be done. Why make a switch to spark the offense if the team is already out of the playoffs? To shield oneself from media criticism? It's rather like closing the proverbial barn door. I don't think Tyrod is a very good QB, and had no confidence he would beat the LAC. Many on this board would disagree. If they are so sure about Tyrod winning yesterday , why can't he not win a road game vs a struggling Chiefs team that lost 4 of 5 and got beat by a 1 win Giants team? The Chargers have found ways to lose close games this year, including a close one to New England. The Bills are not capable of playing a close game with New England, so records aren't always a great indicator. The Chargers are not terrible. Edited November 20, 2017 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said: It's third and twelve and Tyrod dances around ignoring open receivers and throws it to Tolbert for 3 yards. YUP, my vote is for Petersen. Over Tyrod. He wasn't doing that often earlier in this season. Trying to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison. And allowing other teams to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison. We have known that clearly since the preseason game this year when Dennison made Taylor do that. The game was abysmal. Why would the coach want to repeat that? Get him out of the pocket. Force defenses to commit to trying to tackle him on the run or else risk easy first down yardages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: thanks, will look forward to it. Always happy to learn here. 1989 Cowboys 1992 Cowboys Albritton, Vince Abrams, Bobby Alexander, Ray Agee, Tommie Bates, Bill Aikman, Troy Boughton, Willie Bates, Bill Brown, Eric Beurlein, Steve Burbage, Cornell Brown, Larry Burton, Ron Casillas, Tony Carter, Jon Cornish, Frank Chandler, Thornton Edwards, Dixon Clack, Darryl Elliot, Lin Cobb, Garry Everett, Thomas Del Rio, Jack Gainer, Derrick Dixon, James Gant, Kenneth Elam, Onzy Gesek, John Folsom, Steve Gogan, Kevin Ford, Bernard Haley, Charles Francis, Ron Harper, Alvin Gogan, Kevin Hellestrael, Dale Hamel, Dean Hennings, Chad Hendrickson, Steve Hill, Tony Hendrix, Manny Holmes, Clayton Holt, Issiac Holt, Issiac Horton, Ray Horton, Ray Howard, David Irvin, Michael Irvin, Michael Jeffcoat, Jim Jones, Too Tall Johnston, Daryl Ker, Crawford Jones, Jimmie Laufenberg, Babe Jones, Robert Lilly, Kevin Lett, Leon Lockhard, Eugene Martin, Kelvin Martin, Kelvin Maryland, Russell Newton, Nate Myles, Godfrey Noonan, Danny Newton, Nate Norton, Ken Noonan, Danny Palmer, Paul Norton, Ken Rafferty, Tom Novacek, Jay Ruzek, Roger Pruitt, Mickey Sargent, Broderick Richards, Vurvin Saxon, Mike Roberts, Alfredo Scott, Kevin Saxson, Mike Shepard, Derrick Smith, Emmit Smith, Sean Smith, Jimmy Solomon, Jesse Smith, Kevin Steward, Curtis Smith, Vinson Tautalatsi, Junior Stepnoski, Mark Tippins, Ken Tennell, Derek Tuinei, Mark Tolbert, Tony Walker, Herschel Tuinei, Mark Walls, Everson Veingrad, Alan White, Bob Washington, James Widell, Dave Williams, Erik Williams, Robert Williams, Robert Zendejas, Luis Woodson, Darren Zimmerman, Jeff Wright, Alexander Very tough to format on the cell, apologies for it if it's confusing. 11 players of 54 gutted. That's 80% of the roster turned over in 3 years. Bates Gogan Holy Horton Irvin Martin Newton Noonan Norton Tuinei Williams Edited November 20, 2017 by Woodman19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I would prefer to end this season with 5 wins than get to and lose a WC game just to end a crappy streak. This year was never what it was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Has anyone seen a worse performance from a QB ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boatdrinks Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, sleeby said: I would prefer to end this season with 5 wins than get to and lose a WC game just to end a crappy streak. This year was never what it was about. I strongly disagree. The season was about changing the trajectory of the franchise, if that includes a WC appearance then great. The two things are not mutually exclusive. A 5 win season guarantees nothing about the upcoming season or any after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, sleeby said: I would prefer to end this season with 5 wins than get to and lose a WC game just to end a crappy streak. This year was never what it was about. You would rather lose 50% in your 401k this year than make a positive return of 10% just because 10% isn't good enough for you? I will never understand that mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Has anyone seen a worse performance from a QB ever? Yes. Twice in a SB by Buffalo. there are more, but I'll never forget those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Yes. Twice in a SB by Buffalo. there are more, but I'll never forget those. No, Jim Kelly played better than this by a mile even in his worst SB games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 29 minutes ago, PolishDave said: He wasn't doing that often earlier in this season. Trying to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison. And allowing other teams to force him to be a pocket passer is a mistake by Dennison. We have known that clearly since the preseason game this year when Dennison made Taylor do that. The game was abysmal. Why would the coach want to repeat that? Get him out of the pocket. Force defenses to commit to trying to tackle him on the run or else risk easy first down yardages. Sorry Tyrod sucks, 2+ years is more than enough, rather see what Petermen can do. Yes he had a bad game, Tyrod has plenty more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: No, Jim Kelly played better than this by a mile even in his worst SB games It also wasn't Kelly's rookie debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Woodman19 said: It also wasn't Kelly's rookie debut. I wonder how many games it took for Kelly to get five ints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I wonder how many games it took for Kelly to get five ints More than one, that's for sure lol. I'm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Woodman19 said: More than one, that's for sure lol. I'm And for sure more than a half of a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 4 hours ago, mannc said: Please. I give the players plenty of credit. We are talking about quite possibly the worst quarterbacking performance in the history of the NFL. They know NP won’t be coming back from that any time soon, and they don’t want to put their bodies on the line for that kind of amateurish incompetence. He shouldn’t play again this year, except in mop up duty. Your opinion is noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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