SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: 12 in 141 starts (8.5% of all starts) vs 3 in 37 starts (8.1% of all starts). Way to cherry pick Way to keep beating the horse what can be said has been said A MILLION times. Continued long winded explanations add nothing at this point in time. 65% of all stats are made up 35% of the time. Edited November 12, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 5 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Tyrod Taylor 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 5 Game-Winning Drives Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 1 2015 5 2015-10-11 26-069 BUF @ TEN W 14-13 10 17 58.82 109 1 0 97.4 6.41 7.59 8 76 9.50 1 4QC / GWD 2 2015 12 2015-12-06 26-125 BUF HOU W 30-21 11 21 52.38 211 3 0 127.2 10.05 12.90 7 28 4.00 1 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 3 2016 11 2016-11-27 27-116 BUF JAX W 28-21 12 18 66.67 166 1 0 114.6 9.22 10.33 7 38 5.43 1 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 4 2017 4 2017-10-01 28-059 BUF @ ATL W 23-17 12 20 60.00 182 1 0 106.7 9.10 10.10 7 12 1.71 0 GWD 5 2017 6 2017-10-22 28-080 BUF TAM W 30-27 20 33 60.61 268 1 0 96.5 8.12 8.73 6 53 8.83 0 4QC / GWD Aaron Rodgers 12 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 19 Game-Winning Drives Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 1 2008 2 2008-09-14 24-287 GNB @ DET W 48-25 24 38 63.16 328 3 0 117.0 8.63 10.21 4 25 6.25 0 4QC / GWD 2 2008 16 2008-12-28 25-026 GNB DET W 31-21 21 31 67.74 308 3 0 132.2 9.94 11.87 1 -1 -1.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 3 2009 1 2009-09-13 25-285 GNB CHI W 21-15 17 28 60.71 184 1 0 92.0 6.57 7.29 3 7 2.33 0 4QC / GWD 4 2009 13 2009-12-13 26-011 GNB @ CHI W 21-14 16 24 66.67 180 0 0 88.9 7.50 7.50 3 6 2.00 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 5 2010 16 2011-01-02 27-031 GNB CHI W 10-3 19 28 67.86 229 1 1 89.7 8.18 7.29 7 21 3.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 6 2011 12 2011-12-04 28-002 GNB @ NYG W 38-35 28 46 60.87 369 4 1 106.2 8.02 8.78 4 32 8.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 7 2012 4 2012-09-30 28-303 GNB NOR W 28-27 31 41 75.61 319 4 1 119.9 7.78 8.63 5 13 2.60 0 4QC / GWD 8 2012 10 2012-11-18 28-352 GNB @ DET W 24-20 19 27 70.37 236 2 1 106.4 8.74 8.56 1 3 3.00 0 4QC / GWD 9 2012 13 2012-12-09 29-007 GNB DET W 27-20 14 24 58.33 173 0 0 80.7 7.21 7.21 3 32 10.67 1 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 10 2013 16 2013-12-29 30-027 GNB @ CHI W 33-28 25 39 64.10 318 2 2 85.2 8.15 6.87 1 5 5.00 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 11 2014 6 2014-10-12 30-314 GNB @ MIA W 27-24 24 42 57.14 264 3 0 99.7 6.29 7.71 7 34 4.86 0 4QC / GWD 12 2014 17 2015-01-11 31-040 GNB DAL W 26-21 24 35 68.57 316 3 0 125.4 9.03 10.74 3 -4 -1.33 0 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 13 2015 2 2015-09-20 31-292 GNB SEA W 27-17 25 33 75.76 249 2 0 116.9 7.55 8.76 6 23 3.83 0 4QC / GWD 14 2015 12 2015-12-03 32-001 GNB @ DET W 27-23 24 36 66.67 273 2 1 96.2 7.58 7.44 4 27 6.75 1 4QC / GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 15 2016 12 2016-12-04 33-002 GNB HOU W 21-13 20 30 66.67 209 2 0 108.9 6.97 8.30 3 16 5.33 0 GWD 16 2016 14 2016-12-18 33-016 GNB @ CHI W 30-27 19 31 61.29 252 0 0 87.0 8.13 8.13 3 19 6.33 0 GWD 17 2016 18 2017-01-15 33-044 GNB @ DAL W 34-31 28 43 65.12 355 2 1 96.6 8.26 8.14 2 16 8.00 0 GWD Rk Year G# Date Age Tm Opp Result Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Notes 18 2017 3 2017-09-24 33-296 GNB CIN W 27-24 28 42 66.67 313 3 1 102.6 7.45 7.81 4 23 5.75 0 4QC / GWD 19 2017 5 2017-10-08 33-310 GNB @ DAL W 35-31 19 29 65.52 221 3 0 122.9 7.62 9.69 4 32 8.00 0 4QC / GWD they are not in the same class. 19-141 career starts is 13.5%. Guess what 5-37 career starts is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: 12 in 141 starts (8.5% of all starts) vs 3 in 37 starts (8.1% of all starts). Way to cherry pick I cant stand this point. Especially because Rodgers is really good and the Packers win a lot of games in which they never play from behind. And I equally hate this stat when it pertains to Tyrod as well. These Tyrod arguments are so dumb. One crowd clings to stats that make him look bad and the other side clings to the numbers that make him look good. Edited November 12, 2017 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 46 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: 12 in 141 starts (8.5% of all starts) vs 3 in 37 starts (8.1% of all starts). Way to cherry pick That's not cherry picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 4 hours ago, JPP said: I like Taylor.....im a supporter of his and really want him to continue his improvement this season (which he has clearly done)...even moreso i believe he can help get us in the post season however i will agree with a couple of posters above there should be no comparision whatsoever with Rodgers.....or even the other elite QB's in the league,,,,JMO.... This isn't about comparing with Rodgers. Some seem to have "4th quarter comebacks" as THE criteria for being a Franchise QB and actually think Rodgers is good at that. He's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: This isn't about comparing with Rodgers. Some seem to have "4th quarter comebacks" as THE criteria for being a Franchise QB and actually think Rodgers is good at that. He's not. well the thing is rodgers i believe more often than nought does not rely on 4th quarter comebacks in his career......just saying.....im not downplaying Taylor.....never would i have faith in the guy but,,,,,,,,the only conclusion for me at least is.......Rodgers has a seat reserved for him at the HOF.......furthermore i believe he will eventually surpass the GOAT no doubt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I cant stand this point. Especially because Rodgers is really good and the Packers win a lot of games in which they never play from behind. And I equally hate this stat when it pertains to Tyrod as well. These Tyrod arguments are so dumb. One crowd clings to stats that make him look bad and the other side clings to the numbers that make him look good. When it comes to this point ... some people are saying Tyrod isn't franchise because he doesn't have come from behind 4th quarter wins. The other side of the argument is that Rodgers isn't very good at it either. Obviously Rodgers and Tyrod are on completely different levels but its a fair argument to say this specific stat doesn't make one a franchise QB or not because Rodgers isn't good at it either. Looking at just their first 3 years of Rodgers and Tyrod, in this specific argument... Tyrod has been just as good as Rodgers. Both have the same amount of comeback 4th quarter wins/game winning drives. Also Rodgers had 16 losses in his first 3 years that were within 1 score so that's 16 more opportunities in one score games he could have at least 1 upped Taylor in this specific argument but didn't. Tyrod had 10 more opportunities in one score games in his 3 years he could have 1 upped Rodgers but didn't. 6 minutes ago, JPP said: well the thing is rodgers i believe more often than nought does not rely on 4th quarter comebacks in his career......just saying.....im not downplaying Taylor.....never would i have faith in the guy but,,,,,,,,the only conclusion for me at least is.......Rodgers has a seat reserved for him at the HOF.......furthermore i believe he will eventually surpass the GOAT no doubt..... I'm not sure on surpassing Brady. I believe Rodgers might be better in certain areas than Brady is. Brady is better in certain areas than Rodgers is. Brady has had better coaching and team though. Both are going to be in the HoF for sure but I don't believe Rodgers will top Brady. Edited November 12, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Yes he is. A Franchise QB and better than Taylor? Duuuuuuuuhhhhhh!!!!!! No one would pick Taylor over Rodgers. But if your "Yes he is" was that Rodgers is good at 4th Quarter comebacks, then you must think Taylor is, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: A Franchise QB and better than Taylor? Duuuuuuuuhhhhhh!!!!!! No one would pick Taylor over Rodgers. But if your "Yes he is" was that Rodgers is good at 4th Quarter comebacks, then you must think Taylor is, too He's better than Taylor at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: He's better than Taylor at it. Statistically he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Forget all the stats. My definition of a franchise QB is if you can put him on any team, that team immediately becomes a serious contender. If the Bills had Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, etc; we would have a couple Lombardi's by now, not watching in Jan for 17 years. BTW, I don't see TT being that guy. Go Bills ... let's beat that NO franchise QB!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Statistically he is not. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: ? Ok well I guess he is by 0.4%. Their first 3 years were identical. 3 comebacks 5 game winning drives. Rodgers has 8 more than Taylor because Rodgers played over 100 games more than Taylor has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, Scott7975 said: Ok well I guess he is by 0.4%. Their first 3 years were identical. 3 comebacks 5 game winning drives. Rodgers has 8 more than Taylor because Rodgers played over 100 games more than Taylor has. Yeah, Rodgers is better. That's what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Yeah, Rodgers is better. That's what I thought. In just about every aspect other than rushing and comeback wins yeah he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: In just about every aspect other than rushing and comeback wins yeah he is. Comeback wins too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, Ga boy said: Forget all the stats. My definition of a franchise QB is if you can put him on any team, that team immediately becomes a serious contender. If the Bills had Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, etc; we would have a couple Lombardi's by now, not watching in Jan for 17 years. BTW, I don't see TT being that guy. Go Bills ... let's beat that NO franchise QB!!! ANY TEAM, is not the Bills. Put Brady on the Browns and he just retires sooner. Luck did as much as he could with the Colts, and I think that was pretty impressive. But look where it got him. There are many degrees of QB’s, and it’s all very fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Way to keep beating the horse what can be said has been said A MILLION times. Continued long winded explanations add nothing at this point in time. 65% of all stats are made up 35% of the time. Ummm... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Yeah, Rodgers is better. That's what I thought. God. Someone called me obtuse earlier. Good word for you here. If Taylor has just one comeback victory in the 4th quarter the rest of this year, he's better statistically than Aaron Rodgers at 4th quarter comebacks. Granted, it'd be a marginal difference... just like it is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Taylor is a very good game manager, will never cost you the game but will never win in a shoot out. He is a real good manager, definitely above average, dare I say it, pretty good but will never be a franchise guy although I really like him as a player and a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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