mannc Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Far sightedness. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are clearly better.............then there are a handful who are better passers and therefore they are usually more effective............then there is a group that are better passers but are usually less effective because they can't extend plays, don't facilitate an improved running game and turn the ball over etc..........which is why Tyrod is easily a top 10 producer at QB. But his haters can only see two guys way up at the top of the list and don't really follow enough of the rest of them to keep it in perspective. I hate to ruin the fun for all the folks who have written off this season and are just looking forward to the draft, but there is a good possibility that the Bills will bring back Tyrod in 2018 and will NOT give away multiple picks to move up for a QB in the 2018 draft. That doesn't mean they won't (or shouldn't) draft a QB this year, but if Tyrod continues to play well, I don't think management will consider QB to be the primary need in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Saw this in the Barnwell thread but since the Broncos pass defense became so dominant in 2015 only 1 passer had a QB rating in triple digits, Drew Brees at 111.6. Yesterday Tyrod was at 126. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 He played better than he has and did what they asked of him. Let's not get too crazy though. He only had 200 yards passing. Brady had half that on the final drive of the game alone. We will see next week that we still need a QB to keep up with teams that have one Did anyone notice how many QB's threw for 300 plus yards & lost? And, how many threw for under 300 & won. Taylor has played well all year. Even in the Carolina game when our O line couldn't handle the D, he did as well as possible in the second half, with just a little too much on the last pass to Jones. If Jones makes that catch the Bills are 3-0. It could be he's in a scheme that works for him, finally. No QB thrives in the wrong scheme. Yesterday he was really good. His decision making is much better than previously. He's throwing over the middle of the field, and he's throwing receivers open. He missed one pass yesterday, to a wide open Jones, when running to his left. That makes it a tougher throw but no excuses, that was a terrible pass. But other than that he played really well, when the running game was shut down and he had to rely on receivers with no speed. I think everyone has forgotten that he threw a TD pass to Tolbert which he dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @buffalobills T2. #GoBills https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/912350835312603136 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Do you mean the week to week consistency shown by Derek Carr or Ben Rothliesberger? Even Brady is only 2 for 3 this year. in bold would be great. Taylor has show us for 31 or 32 games what he is. - A running QB and not a passing QB. 2 or 3 superb games a season doesn't cut it. we need 10 excellent outings a season not 2 or 3 excellent outings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 in bold would be great. Taylor has show us for 31 or 32 games what he is. - A running QB and not a passing QB. 2 or 3 superb games a season doesn't cut it. we need 10 excellent outings a season not 2 or 3 excellent outings. He's the 9th rated passer in the league currently. That doesn't factor in running. Please elaborate on your point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 in bold would be great. Taylor has show us for 31 or 32 games what he is. - A running QB and not a passing QB. 2 or 3 superb games a season doesn't cut it. we need 10 excellent outings a season not 2 or 3 excellent outings. You do know that Carr is coming off a game where he went 19/31 for 118 Yards (3.81 YPA), 1 TD and 2 INTs, right? He's had a stinker in 1/3 games as well and it was worse than Tyrod's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 He's the 9th rated passer in the league currently. That doesn't factor in running. Please elaborate on your point....Total passing yards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) He's the 9th rated passer in the league currently. That doesn't factor in running. Please elaborate on your point.... QB Rating and QBR STATS are not the end all. His passing "stats" look good. But you and I both know that he's NOT a passing QB. When TT plays and Wins 4 or 5 games with 35 to 40 passing plays and still protects the ball then we can discuss this further. Alex Smith's QB Rating rated higher than Tom Brady after 3 weeks. These stats say what? Brady is getting old or Smith is the better QB? Jared Goff is 3rd , Case Keenum 6th. Elite Superstars? Aaron Rodgers is 13, Russel Wilson 15, and Dak Prescott 25th. Is TT really better than Rodgers, Wilson? Yards per game ranking 29th Tyrod Taylor Edited September 25, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @ChrisTrapasso Tyrod Taylor's QB Rating while using playaction: 144.1 (best in NFL) ...without playaction: 84.7 (20th) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @ChrisTrapasso Tyrod Taylor's QB Rating while using playaction: 144.1 (best in NFL) ...without playaction: 84.7 (20th) Which is exactly why a lot of us want to see more first down passing plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 You do know that Carr is coming off a game where he went 19/31 for 118 Yards (3.81 YPA), 1 TD and 2 INTs, right? He's had a stinker in 1/3 games as well and it was worse than Tyrod's... I've said this hundreds of times. Not every QB is at the top of his game 16 of 16. My point is that 2 great games of 16 games is not what we need. We need a QB that is great in games at least 10 of 16. IMO, over the last 3 seasons Carr has developed far more that TT has sitting on a bench for 4 or 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @ChrisTrapasso Tyrod Taylor's QB Rating while using playaction: 144.1 (best in NFL) ...without playaction: 84.7 (20th) The funny thing is we couldn't run for schit so the playaction shouldn't have been so effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills757 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I hate to ruin the fun for all the folks who have written off this season and are just looking forward to the draft, but there is a good possibility that the Bills will bring back Tyrod in 2018 and will NOT give away multiple picks to move up for a QB in the 2018 draft. That doesn't mean they won't (or shouldn't) draft a QB this year, but if Tyrod continues to play well, I don't think management will consider QB to be the primary need in this draft. Just picking a QB can be tricky as we've seen in so many cases in the recent past. For every Derek Carr (who looked pretty pedestrian without great pass pro last night), there's a Vince Young and an RG3. Having said that, if there's a QB in the upcoming draft that strikes Beane and McD as possibly being THE guy, you do what you feel you need to do to get him. Of course, building a solid Oline is important and developing the current skill guys as well. There are so many parts to the equation but the Bills are in great position to make deals if they feel their franchise QB is in the '18 draft. I'm a big TT fan but things can change in an instant. You have to be planning for the future and for unforeseen circumstances constantly. Even if TT leads the Bills to the playoffs and maybe wins a game there, if deals can be done in next year's draft that make sense to get a guy like Darnold or Rudolph, you make those deals (not a big fan of Rosen personally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 QB Rating and QBR STATS are not the end all. His passing "stats" look good. But you and I both know that he's NOT a passing QB. When TT plays and Wins 4 or 5 games with 35 to 40 passing plays and still protects the ball then we can discuss this further. Alex Smith's QB Rating rated higher than Tom Brady after 3 weeks. These tats say what? Brady is getting old? Jared Goff is 3rd , Case Keenum 6th. Aaron Rodgers is 13, Russel Wilson 15, and Dak Prescott 25th. Is TT really better than Rodgers, Wilson? Yards per game 29 Tyrod Taylor So we agree that's he's passing well, I assume we agree that his weapons suck but we are supposed to agree that he's a bad passer? Honestly, how does that even make sense to you? Here are his passer ratings in his last 6 starts: 100.1, 105.2, 118.4, 92.0, 79.6, 126. That averages to 103.6. That would have had him 5th last year (and again that doesn't account for rushing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 The funny thing is we couldn't run for schit so the playaction shouldn't have been so effective. Still have to respect it with McCoy in the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Still have to respect it with McCoy in the backfield. True. I have been yelling for it all year. And still, the most effective playaction has been historically following a few successful runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @YardsPerPass These are the 3 deep balls that TT threw. On all of them there is depth from his OL, getting convinced that this is necessary for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 So we agree that's he's passing well, I assume we agree that his weapons suck but we are supposed to agree that he's a bad passer? Honestly, how does that even make sense to you? Here are his passer ratings in his last 6 starts: 100.1, 105.2, 118.4, 92.0, 79.6, 126. That averages to 103.6. That would have had him 5th last year (and again that doesn't account for rushing). Well I'm sold. He's clearly a better passer than Dan Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Cherry-picking is a problem. How did Carr look last night in contrast? A Broncos fans could've watched the Bills/Dolphins game last year where the Bills set a franchise record for offense in a game, and said, damn, I want that QB on our team. I know plenty of Skins fans that don't want Cousins as their QB, and say he's not worth the money that he's going to want. What I'm trying to say is that we can cherry pick a game any week of the NFL and say, damn look at that performance; I want that QB. But we don't come back on here when said QB falls flat on their face the following week (i.e., Siemian last week vs. Siemian this week). I have no clue what you are getting at. I and anyone else who is normal would take Carr or Cousins over our qb. My assessment has nothing to do with any particular game. That would be an insane way to judge a qb. It's about general competency. There are people, as you mentioned, who say Cousins isn't worth the money he is asking for. What I can tell you is that he is a legitimate franchise qb (not elite) and is going to get top shelf money. If you are going to overpay for a qb it is better to overpay for a franchise qb then pay less than market value for a qb who isn't a franchise qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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