2018 Mock drafts and top prospects

[Mountain Man]

8 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

You do realize it's not 1962, right?

 

This league requires at least competent passing.

 

 

 

And Tyrod can provide that. Tyrod is not the problem 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Mountain Man said:

 

And Tyrod can provide that. Tyrod is not the problem 

 

You may be literally the ONLY person on the planet who thinks that.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Not for nothing, and he’s still a year away, but I think Ed Oliver will be one of the best 10 players in football within his first few years.

[Mountain Man]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

You may be literally the ONLY person on the planet who thinks that.

 

 

Who cares. I know I'm right.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Mountain Man said:

 

Who cares. I know I'm right.

 

 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

21. Buffalo Bills | Mason Rudolph | QB | Oklahoma State

Tyrod Taylor doesn’t look like the long-term answer for the Bills at quarterback, and the early returns aren’t promising on Nate Peterman. A bit of a reach this early, Rudolph is big, athletic and talented, but needs more polish and consistency.

 

25. Buffalo Bills (from KC) | Maurice Hurst | DL | Michigan

Marcell Dareus was traded to Jacksonville, and Kyle Williams isn’t getting any younger, making defensive tackle a huge need for the Bills this offseason. Hurst has been one of the most disruptive defenders in all of college football this season.

53. Buffalo Bills | Christian Kirk | WR | Texas A&M

60. Buffalo Bills (from LAR) | Duke Dawson | CB | Florida

95. Buffalo Bills (from PHI) | Jack Cichy | LB | Wisconsin

117. Buffalo Bills | Bryce Love | RB | Stanford

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QBs on Kiper's Big Board.

 

4. *Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA

Previous rank: 2

 

5. **Sam Darnold, QB, Southern California

Previous rank: 5

 

11. *Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming

Previous rank: 6

 

13. Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma

Previous rank: NR

 

 

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20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

21. Buffalo Bills | Mason Rudolph | QB | Oklahoma State

Tyrod Taylor doesn’t look like the long-term answer for the Bills at quarterback, and the early returns aren’t promising on Nate Peterman. A bit of a reach this early, Rudolph is big, athletic and talented, but needs more polish and consistency.

 

25. Buffalo Bills (from KC) | Maurice Hurst | DL | Michigan

Marcell Dareus was traded to Jacksonville, and Kyle Williams isn’t getting any younger, making defensive tackle a huge need for the Bills this offseason. Hurst has been one of the most disruptive defenders in all of college football this season.

53. Buffalo Bills | Christian Kirk | WR | Texas A&M

60. Buffalo Bills (from LAR) | Duke Dawson | CB | Florida

95. Buffalo Bills (from PHI) | Jack Cichy | LB | Wisconsin

117. Buffalo Bills | Bryce Love | RB | Stanford

Love the Christian Kirk pick, he is the type of guy New England would want. Very Danny Amendola/Golden Tate like.

[thunderingsquid]

On 12/16/2017 at 4:27 AM, NewDayBills said:

Love the Christian Kirk pick, he is the type of guy New England would want. Very Danny Amendola/Golden Tate like.

Yes, very interested in what sports reporters think NE will do in the draft

[thunderingsquid]

21: R1P21

EDGE ARDEN KEY

LSU

25: R1P25

DL LOWELL LOTULELEI

UTAH

53: R2P21

G ISAIAH WYNN

GEORGIA

60: R2P28

OT MITCH HYATT

CLEMSON

95: R3P31

QB MIKE WHITE

WESTERN KENTUCKY

123: R4P21

LB AZEEM VICTOR

WASHINGTON

160: R5P21

WR DANTE PETTIS

WASHINGTON

166: R5P27

RB AKRUM WADLEY

IOWA

 

 

I guess the kid from WKentucky is one of the few 4 year starters that's not in the top of the first round, and I don't think we should touch Browning from what I've seen.

Edited December 18, 2017 by thunderingsquid

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6 hours ago, thunderingsquid said:

21: R1P21

EDGE ARDEN KEY

LSU

25: R1P25

DL LOWELL LOTULELEI

UTAH

53: R2P21

G ISAIAH WYNN

GEORGIA

60: R2P28

OT MITCH HYATT

CLEMSON

95: R3P31

QB MIKE WHITE

WESTERN KENTUCKY

123: R4P21

LB AZEEM VICTOR

WASHINGTON

160: R5P21

WR DANTE PETTIS

WASHINGTON

166: R5P27

RB AKRUM WADLEY

IOWA

 

 

I guess the kid from WKentucky is one of the few 4 year starters that's not in the top of the first round, and I don't think we should touch Browning from what I've seen.

Why post this? Garbage draft.

[Billsfansinceday1]

6 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Why post this? Garbage draft.

Yeah.  A QB from W. Kentucky at #95 is probably not going to help the cause much.

 

LOWELL LOTULELE @ #25, now that's a different story.

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20 minutes ago, Billsfansinceday1 said:

Yeah.  A QB from W. Kentucky at #95 is probably not going to help the cause much.

 

LOWELL LOTULELE @ #25, now that's a different story.

Exactly my thoughts completely. No first round QB in a draft where there's a good 5-6 prospects that could upgrade us immediately is a huge miss for me. Even Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson who I'm skeptical of, I'd still take one because they cannot be any worse than what we have.

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Exactly my thoughts completely. No first round QB in a draft where there's a good 5-6 prospects that could upgrade us immediately is a huge miss for me. Even Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson who I'm skeptical of, I'd still take one because they cannot be any worse than what we have.

Have you really not learned that this is false yet?

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15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Have you really not learned that this is false yet?

Well, it's not like I was exactly setting the bar high, was I?

[BuffaloHokie13]

5 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

Well, it's not like I was exactly setting the bar high, was I?

It's a terrible point that should really never be made. It can always be worse, and in our case it was displayed that it can be much worse.

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7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It's a terrible point that should really never be made. It can always be worse, and in our case it was displayed that it can be much worse.

Sorry, but the top 6 guys, every single one of them is better than Tyrod and Peterman. Got to take a shot at one of them, I love Rudolph, that's my guy but if he is gone I wouldn't hesitate to draft another. That's just my opinion. Do you really think one of the top guys can beat 5 INTs in one half? And even if you want to make a case for Tyrod, there's a really good chance he gets cut or traded so we are left with Peterman. So yeah, I'll take my chances on one of the top 6.

[The Now Moment]

3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Exactly my thoughts completely. No first round QB in a draft where there's a good 5-6 prospects that could upgrade us immediately is a huge miss for me. Even Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson who I'm skeptical of, I'd still take one because they cannot be any worse than what we have.

Running QBs that have gotten hurt...all of them.  Please stay away from this.  Wentz injured on a running play, Watson injured on a roll out running play, RG3 injured on multiple running plays, EJ Manuel injured on a running play, Tyrod injured on running play...I don't think we will be interested in a running QB.  I think they will be looking for a pass first guy.  No more scrambling around and then throwing the ball.  If we've learned one thing this year, it's keep your QB from getting hurt...Rodgers, Wentz, Watson, Luck maybe dead, Taylor...so many QB injuries.  Timing, accuracy, arm strength, a mentally capable QB who makes smart decisions to stay off of the injury list please. 

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1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:

Running QBs that have gotten hurt...all of them.  Please stay away from this.  Wentz injured on a running play, Watson injured on a roll out running play, RG3 injured on multiple running plays, EJ Manuel injured on a running play, Tyrod injured on running play...I don't think we will be interested in a running QB.  I think they will be looking for a pass first guy.  No more scrambling around and then throwing the ball.  If we've learned one thing this year, it's keep your QB from getting hurt...Rodgers, Wentz, Watson, Luck maybe dead, Taylor...so many QB injuries.  Timing, accuracy, arm strength, a mentally capable QB who makes smart decisions to stay off of the injury list please. 

That's fair, I only included him for arguments sake. I do think he'll be better than Tyrod and Peterman though but he is probably not what we're looking for.

[The Now Moment]

7 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

That's fair, I only included him for arguments sake. I do think he'll be better than Tyrod and Peterman though but he is probably not what we're looking for.

Even if he is better...where is Watson right now?  Everyone chirped about not grabbing him but it is a fact that running QBs tend to get hurt all the time and sure enough...a season ending injury in year one.

[Victory Formation]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Even if he is better...where is Watson right now?  Everyone chirped about not grabbing him but it is a fact that running QBs tend to get hurt all the time and sure enough...a season ending injury in year one.

Well, you'd clearly have to evaluate his potential as a passer. Under the right tutelage, perhaps he could be developed into one. Depends on the coaches and if they think he could progress into an NFL QB. Deshaun Watson lit the NFL up, he was obviously a better passer than once thought and may evolve into a dual threat. Could Jackson do the same? No fan knows that, only the coaches and GMs do.

[The Now Moment]

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Well, you'd clearly have to evaluate his potential as a passer. Under the right tutelage, perhaps he could be developed into one. Depends on the coaches and if they think he could progress into an NFL QB. Deshaun Watson lit the NFL up, he was obviously a better passer than once thought and may evolve into a dual threat. Could Jackson do the same? No fan knows that, only the coaches and GMs do.

I am not looking for a dual threat though.  Like I said, look at the QBs that have run around in this league this year.  Almost all of them have been hurt.  A lot of them with season ending injuries.  Cam Newton is the only one that has survived the injury bugs as a running QB but he's 6'5" 240.  Lamar Jackson is 6'3" 210.  He's really thin and I believe will have major durability issues in the NFL.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

I am not looking for a dual threat though.  Like I said, look at the QBs that have run around in this league this year.  Almost all of them have been hurt.  A lot of them with season ending injuries.  Cam Newton is the only one that has survived the injury bugs as a running QB but he's 6'5" 240.  Lamar Jackson is 6'3" 210.  He's really thin and I believe will have major durability issues in the NFL.  

There are 10 QBs in the league that average 4+ runs per game.

Newton

Wilson

Taylor

Kizer

Watson

Wentz

Gabbert

Beathard

Brissett

Smith

 

Of that group, Taylor missed a game and Watson & Wentz are out. Anyone else I missed?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

There are 10 QBs in the league that average 4+ runs per game.

Newton

Wilson

Taylor

Kizer

Watson

Wentz

Gabbert

Beathard

Brissett

Smith

 

Of that group, Taylor missed a game and Watson & Wentz are out. Anyone else I missed?

 

Rodgers

 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Rodgers

3.43 runs per game. Less than all those I listed.

[The Now Moment]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

There are 10 QBs in the league that average 4+ runs per game.

Newton

Wilson

Taylor

Kizer

Watson

Wentz

Gabbert

Beathard

Brissett

Smith

 

Of that group, Taylor missed a game and Watson & Wentz are out. Anyone else I missed?

RG3 was constantly injured, EJ Manuel had his rookie year halted with an injury on a running play, Watson was injured on a running play, Peterman was injured on a running play, Rodgers injured while running outside the pocket, Wentz injured while running, Andrew Luck injured on a running play, there are so many more examples.  That is the entire point.  Don't have a QB that runs that much.  QBs aren't playing to protect their bodies anymore.  Sure Wentz got the TD and I'm sure many fans would have wanted him to make that kind of diving effort but look what happened?  QB is too valuable to a team to be running around and taking awkward hits.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

3.43 runs per game. Less than all those I listed.

 

Seems like he runs more than that. Guess the actual amount doesn't really matter as Rodgers is known for making big runs and is considered a dual threat. I want to say I'm not against dual threat QBs, just that I thought Rodgers should be on that list. I would add Roethlisbeger as well.

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2017 by Buffalo Barbarian

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1. Cleveland Browns (0-14)

2. New York Giants (2-12)

3. Indianapolis Colts (3-11)

4. San Francisco 49ers (4-10)

5. Cleveland Browns (from HOU)

6. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (4-10)

7. Chicago Bears (4-10)

8. Cincinnati Bengals (5-9)

9. Denver Broncos (5-9)

10. New York Jets (5-9)

11. Oakland Raiders (6-8)

12. Arizona Cardinals (6-8)

13. Miami Dolphins (6-8)

14. Washington Redskins (6-8)

15. Los Angeles Chargers (7-7)

16. Green Bay Packers (7-7)

17. Dallas Cowboys (8-6)

18. Buffalo Bills (8-6)

19. Seattle Seahawks (8-6)

20. Detroit Lions (8-6)

21. Baltimore Ravens (8-6)

22. Atlanta Falcons (9-5)

23. Tennessee Titans (8-6)

24. Carolina Panthers (10-4)

25. Buffalo Bills (from KC)

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:

RG3 was constantly injured, EJ Manuel had his rookie year halted with an injury on a running play, Watson was injured on a running play, Peterman was injured on a running play, Rodgers injured while running outside the pocket, Wentz injured while running, Andrew Luck injured on a running play, there are so many more examples.  That is the entire point.  Don't have a QB that runs that much.  QBs aren't playing to protect their bodies anymore.  Sure Wentz got the TD and I'm sure many fans would have wanted him to make that kind of diving effort but look what happened?  QB is too valuable to a team to be running around and taking awkward hits.  

The larger issue, to me anyway, seems to be QBs that don't run well trying to run. The guys that are mobile have enough practice that they rarely take big shots or get hurt because of it.

[The Now Moment]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

The larger issue, to me anyway, seems to be QBs that don't run well trying to run. The guys that are mobile have enough practice that they rarely take big shots or get hurt because of it.

That's not true.  The only person that applies to is Cam Newton and he is the size of a truck.  All of the other running QBs have gotten hurt over the last few years and their smaller size doesn't help that.  That's why I question a guy like Mayfield who at times likes to run and Jackson who is 210 lbs.  Can they really handle NFL hits on their run plays?  Who knows?  

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[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

That's not true.  The only person that applies to is Cam Newton and he is the size of a truck.  All of the other running QBs have gotten hurt over the last few years and their smaller size doesn't help that.  That's why I question a guy like Mayfield who at times likes to run and Jackson who is 210 lbs.  Can they really handle NFL hits on their run plays?  Who knows?  

Taylor has missed 3 games in 3 years. (2nd most attempts in that span)

Wilson hasn't missed a game as a pro as far as I know (3rd most attempts in last 3 years)

Newton you've already conceded (Most attempts in the past 3 years)

 

Next after that seem to be Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, but both are over 65 attempts behind the first 3.

 

[The Now Moment]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Taylor has missed 3 games in 3 years. (2nd most attempts in that span)

Wilson hasn't missed a game as a pro as far as I know (3rd most attempts in last 3 years)

Newton you've already conceded (Most attempts in the past 3 years)

 

Next after that seem to be Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, but both are over 65 attempts behind the first 3.

 

RG3, Mariota has already been hurt, Luck ran way more than people think and got hurt, looking back further...Michael Vick was constantly hurt in his Philly days.  Plus all of the injuries that have happened to players that run a little less but still run a lot like have been mentioned already.  Personally, I think we should avoid the running QB.  The storyline this year has been QBs getting hurt.  Why should we want to get a run first QB especially when the rules don't protect those players?

[BuffaloHokie13]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

RG3, Mariota has already been hurt, Luck ran way more than people think and got hurt, looking back further...Michael Vick was constantly hurt in his Philly days.  Plus all of the injuries that have happened to players that run a little less but still run a lot like have been mentioned already.  Personally, I think we should avoid the running QB.  The storyline this year has been QBs getting hurt.  Why should we want to get a run first QB especially when the rules don't protect those players?

So you're going to ignore that the QBs that have run more than anyone else in recent history haven't really been injured much? You're clinging to players from 5+ years ago to prove your false narrative? Show me comparisons of QBs who missed games and how often they run. I highly doubt it will show what you are attempting to portray.

 

If you want to steer clear of athletic QBs because they are inferior passers, that's fine. Don't hide behind this guise of injury rate though.

[thunderingsquid]

I'm not much on dual threat QBs, just as long and we have an eye for a guy that can sit and learn for a few weeks.   I'm just worried he won't mesh with our OC.  Non West Coast qbs need not apply?

[The Now Moment]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

So you're going to ignore that the QBs that have run more than anyone else in recent history haven't really been injured much? You're clinging to players from 5+ years ago to prove your false narrative? Show me comparisons of QBs who missed games and how often they run. I highly doubt it will show what you are attempting to portray.

 

If you want to steer clear of athletic QBs because they are inferior passers, that's fine. Don't hide behind this guise of injury rate though.

...I'd like both a better passing QB and a guy who is going to put himself in less danger.  Sure the top three guys have steered clear of injury but a lot of QBs have been hurt running this year, not just 5 plus years ago.  Running QBs put themself in danger as has been shown this year.  I'd rather have a pocket passer that doesn't put himself in harms way.  Who knows if Jackson will be the next Russel Wilson and avoid injury or the next RG3 and constantly be hurt.  Either way, I don't want to be taking those kinds of chances of putting what is supposed to be our franchise QB in harms way.  I think Colts fans wished that Luck would've stopped running and stuck to the pocket passing.

[BuffaloHokie13]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

...I'd like both a better passing QB and a guy who is going to put himself in less danger.  Sure the top three guys have steered clear of injury but a lot of QBs have been hurt running this year, not just 5 plus years ago.  Running QBs put themself in danger as has been shown this year.  I'd rather have a pocket passer that doesn't put himself in harms way.  Who knows if Jackson will be the next Russel Wilson and avoid injury or the next RG3 and constantly be hurt.  Either way, I don't want to be taking those kinds of chances of putting what is supposed to be our franchise QB in harms way.  I think Colts fans wished that Luck would've stopped running and stuck to the pocket passing.

Pocket Passers are just as likely to get hurt. Look at the List this year:

 

Carson Palmer (1.65 runs per game)

Aaron Rodgers (3.52)

Andrew Luck (4.09)

Deshaun Watson (5.14)

Ryan Tannehill (2.81)

Sam Bradford (1.80)

Jameis Winston (3.07)

Derek Carr (1.98)

Marcus Mariota (3.53)

Jay Cutler (2.54)

Carson Wentz (3.79)

Tyrod Taylor (6.52)

Josh McCown (2.54)

 

3 of the 13 run more than 4 times a game on average. 6 of the 13 (still less than half) run 3.5 times or more.

[thunderingsquid]

It's not easy to keep a guy from running but if you can protect him it may prevent him from pulling the trigger. 

 

Let's teach Peterman to slide btw. 

[The Now Moment]

17 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Pocket Passers are just as likely to get hurt. Look at the List this year:

 

Carson Palmer (1.65 runs per game)

Aaron Rodgers (3.52)

Andrew Luck (4.09)

Deshaun Watson (5.14)

Ryan Tannehill (2.81)

Sam Bradford (1.80)

Jameis Winston (3.07)

Derek Carr (1.98)

Marcus Mariota (3.53)

Jay Cutler (2.54)

Carson Wentz (3.79)

Tyrod Taylor (6.52)

Josh McCown (2.54)

 

3 of the 13 run more than 4 times a game on average. 6 of the 13 (still less than half) run 3.5 times or more.

A lot of them were hurt on running plays this year.  I think even the pocket passer should stop running as much as they do now.  They are QBs who are paid more than any position in the league and are the most important player on a team.  True pocket passers get hurt less by not putting themselves in danger by running.  Just throw it and let the running backs do their job.

[26CornerBlitz]

Oh really?