Putin Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 No chance, the Bills aren't getting all of this draft capital to build around a guy that they passed on like 5 times in the draft. That should tell you how confident they are in him becoming the guy.What does his draft status has to do with the actual performance ? theres plenty of QB's that have been passed on like 3 , 4 , 5 and yes 6 times , that doesent tell me $hit I hope the MVPeterman gets a chance to start THIS year ! I could care less what round he was selected , I'm sure as hell rooting for the kid !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Â How does it make sense to disregard 29 games of real, actual, regular-season game experience as a starting QB in favor of analyzing a mere 2+ quarters of preseason play? That's the question that Hokie is asking (albeit in a roundabout way by drawing a comparison). OMG, It's like talking to the wall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) OMG, It's like talking to the wall! Â Yes, it most certainly is difficult when one person points out obscene logical fallacies and someone with an agenda just says "yeah, but let's ignore those and focus on minutiae that may or may not support my agenda". Edited August 31, 2017 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 OMG, It's like talking to the wall! With you, yes it is. A waste of time. TT was and never will be great, but he did a nice job managing the offense he was in the last two years. He was not the main problem with this team. With a gutted team and a different offense, he probably is not the answer at QB now, but to even consider that a fifth round rookie is from mediocre play in meaningless pre season games is a stretch.The true franchise QB is not on this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Â How does it make sense to disregard 29 games of real, actual, regular-season game experience as a starting QB in favor of analyzing a mere 2+ quarters of preseason play? That's the question that Hokie is asking (albeit in a roundabout way by drawing a comparison). I just picked a QB with meh numbers that I knew he wasn't biased against. I didn't even put that much thought into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I just picked a QB with meh numbers that I knew he wasn't biased against. I didn't even put that much thought into it  I understood the point. old school also understood the point; he simply decided that he didn't care about that point because it ran counter to his diatribe...if we don't boil the focus of the discussion down to whether or not Tyrod has looked good this preseason then it doesn't fit the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) If we're only judging by this preseason then Peterman is better than Matt Ryan too. Do you really believe that to be the case? Wow .. this expands now Tyrod is being compared to Matt Ryan ... Matt Ryan (net of the SB) ... but at least he was there ... can lead a team in the 4th quarter ...Matt Ryan has 25 4th quarter comebacks .. comments from my other posts of my issues with Tyrod in his Bills tenture revolves around this .. I want our QB to rally the troops and lord knows we've had plenty of come from behind opportunities ... see if Tyrod is even on the list below in 4th quarter comebacks. Can Tyrod "manage" the offense yes .. .is he a difference maker when the chips are on the line ... unfortunately history would indicate not. The better quarterbacks have this intangible ... I'm just yet to see it from Tyrod .. hence my stance to keep looking. The scary part of this list below ... is look at the QBs who names are above it .. my point the QB position can drive the difference between playoffs and no playoffs .. we don't have that difference maker starting ... YET.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm  The answer is no as they stop at "3" .. Tyrod had "2". Hell .. Dak a 4th rounder (heaven forbid they ever started him ... somewhat made Romo expendable didn't it) had 5 last year. Edited August 31, 2017 by WideRightRevenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Â I understood the point. old school also understood the point; he simply decided that he didn't care about that point because it ran counter to his diatribe...if we don't boil the focus of the discussion down to whether or not Tyrod has looked good this preseason then it doesn't fit the narrative. I asked why, because of what's transpired during the preseason. Simple question. 26 said at this juncture he feels Tyrod is the best QB on the team. Wasn't a question bringing other QBs or other years in, but Jokie felt compelled to try and change the point or divert the subject. Typical when things don't fit. Â What does at this juncture mean to you? It means right now, no? Does it mean Matt Ryan to you or Jokie, even though jokie did answer Peteman why throw Ryan in there, he's irrelevant to my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) Wow .. this expands now Tyrod is being compared to Matt Ryan ... Matt Ryan (net of the SB) ... but at least he was there ... can lead a team in the 4th quarter ...Matt Ryan has 25 4th quarter comebacks .. comments from my other posts of my issues with Tyrod in his Bills tenture revolves around this .. I want our QB to rally the troops and lord knows we've had plenty of come from behind opportunities ... see if Tyrod is even on the list below in 4th quarter comebacks. Can Tyrod "manage" the offense yes .. .is he a difference maker when the chips are on the line ... unfortunately history would indicate not. The better quarterbacks have this intangible ... I'm just yet to see it from Tyrod .. hence my stance to keep looking. The scary part of this list below ... is look at the QBs who names are above it .. my point the QB position can drive the difference between playoffs and no playoffs .. we don't have that difference maker starting ... YET.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm  The answer is no as they stop at "3" .. Tyrod had "2". Hell .. Dak a 4th rounder (heaven forbid they ever started him ... somewhat made Romo expendable didn't it) had 5 last year. No, I compared Peterman to Matt Ryan based solely on this preseason. Not the parameters I would use, but I was just following the conversation. I didn't even mention Tyrod in my post.  We've already been over the validity (or lack thereof) of comebacks as a standalone stat, but just to apply it to the context of the actual discussion in this topic Peterman has 0. Edited August 31, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 No, I compared Peterman to Matt Ryan based solely on this preseason. Not the parameters I would use, but I was just following the conversation. I didn't even mention Tyrod in my post. Â We've already been over the validity (or lack thereof) of comebacks as a standalone stat, but just to apply it to the context of the actual discussion in this topic Peterman has 0. No you absolutely were not. Maybe you should go back and reread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Which pretty much shows that pre season means nothing. Esp. tonights game. what a waste of time. Don't watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 No you absolutely were not. Maybe you should go back and reread. Okay, what did you mean by the following? Â Last 2 years aside, why would you think that based on what you have seen this preseason? Curious as to your thoughts. Â Because to me it reads that you would like to compare the QBs based on this preseason alone. I can guarantee you that 26's opinion on Tyrod vs Peterman is based on more than this preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This convo is like a bad golf swing  all discussions are shanked left or right. the criteria THIS PRESEASON and nothing else  Taylor has struggled. Fair assessment Peterman looks good for a rookie thus far. Fair assessment  passing % TT ~ 50% passing % NP ~ 50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This convo is like a bad golf swing  all discussions are shanked left or right. the criteria THIS PRESEASON and nothing else  Taylor has struggled. Fair assessment Peterman looks good for a rookie thus far. Fair assessment  passing % TT ~ 50% passing % NP ~ 50% I know right.  Others trying to add criteria about Matt Ryan or Tyrods last 2 years into a only this years current preseason evaluation of the Bills QBs is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This convo is like a bad golf swing  all discussions are shanked left or right. the criteria THIS PRESEASON and nothing else  Taylor has struggled. Fair assessment Peterman looks good for a rookie thus far. Fair assessment  passing % TT ~ 50% passing % NP ~ 50%  WGAS?!? It's preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I know right. Â Others trying to add criteria about Matt Ryan or Tyrods last 2 years into a only this years current preseason evaluation of the Bills QBs is absurd. I guess I just don't see the point. Nobody making actual decisions is going to ignore a player's NFL body of work if it is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I guess I just don't see the point. Nobody making actual decisions is going to ignore a player's NFL body of work if it is available. Â That you have to re-state the truth of this point for the bajillionth time because it's being fully ignored is utter lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I'll give him some "like," but it's too early to anoint Peterman our franchise QB. Let's see if he gets a chance to play some in the regular season and watch how he does. I'll also be watching draft preparations. It's looking like there may be a number of decent QBs in the draft if we need to go in that direction, and a few risky picks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) I guess I just don't see the point. Nobody making actual decisions is going to ignore a player's NFL body of work if it is available. Not only ignore their actually body of work, instead choose to look at preseason play instead. Edited August 31, 2017 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 @TheBillsWire NFL Minute: Trusting Nathan Peterman http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/08/31/nfl-minute-trusting-nathan-peterman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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