thebandit27 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Bandit .. I took your challenge and quoted pre=season stats ...now your flipping the discussion back to Tyrod's 29 games ... your quoting offensive stats but thats run oriented .. yes as established by head coach and OC .. and Tyrod pads those stats as well with his legs .. so help me with how Tyrod has in his two years has helped us find out about our "playmakers" in the WR / TE position ... do you really think they played a lot of nickel/dime coverage on 1st and 2nd downs against us the last two years? My only point is we would all agree after all these years we are mediocre at best ... if you want to use the same ingredients and be mediocre again ... we can start with Tyrod ... but if he goes 2-3 games with a 27 rating ... then my preference is .. throw in the Rook and hopefully get more of a passing threat in the game. But if you want to look into 2016 stats .. I'll take Nate Peterman stat line last year .. AT CLEMSON ... 22-37 .. 308 Yards ... 5 TDs .. zero INTs .. in the biggest road game for him on the year hostile environment ... that's one game .. Tyrod's 2016 Road Game TD total for 2016 .... 5. Yep 5 (granted he had 3 rushing TD's in those games) .. but that's what we have RB's for. No, I'm not flipping anything. I played along with old school's silly "name 5 things" challenge, and said that he should really do the same. I've stated my point over and over, and I won't do it again. I will, however, say that playing well against Clemson means nothing in the NFL. I'd rather take the guy that's done it in the NFL over the guy that's been mediocre in the preseason against backups. It was at the one yard line with 26 seconds left. You punch that ball in with Lynch or if he was that bad, you sneak it with Russell. If Tom Brady can go something like 54 straight QB sneak conversions, Wilson can too. You don't put the ball in the air because DB's are just going to be aggressive because they are backed up against a wall. When you have the likes of Max Unger and James Carpenter in the middle opening things up....you use that. I've said many times that the bigger issue isn't the play call on its face, but rather the implication it had on clock management. First, you had Belichick not calling a timeout when it was 1st-and-goal with under a minute left, which effectively meant that he was guaranteeing that Brady wouldn't get another shot if Seattle scored. That should've sealed NE's fate, but oh no, Pete Carroll had to one-up Billy Boy. There'e less than 30 seconds left in the game, and you have the ball on the 1-yard line. Call a run play--or in the very least a play that rolls the QB out--so that in the event you get stopped, you run the clock down to below 15 seconds. That way, you ensure that Brady has no chance even if he does see the field while still giving yourself time to run 2 plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) It should have been an option play. Then you have two running threats to deal with. Sure he's accurate enough. As I mentioned, there were 4, arguably 5, dropped passes by his receivers. That pushes his completion percentage to 65 to 69%. As for the 4 passes that were batted down, that's more good DL play than poor play by the QB. And they were similar plays, i.e. designed throws over the head of DL where there is a good possibility of that happening. Perhaps removing those play calls would be in order? And the toss to avoid a sack was ill-advised, but a teaching/learning moment. I doubt he does that again. Excuses Excuses Excuses. If you take away the drops and the bad blocking and penalties in the Eagles game Hotrod probably turns in a much better performance as well. As far as his accuracy goes, I haven't seen anything to convince me "he's accurate enough". As a senior at Pitt he threw for 60.46% including all the shovel passes. For college that's not very good. EJ threw for 67.96% his Senior year at Florida St. Although he does make some really nice passes sometimes, his accuracy overall is meager IMHO and not ready to start in the NFL (yet). He misses way too many easy drive killing passes. His footwork needs work too. When he steps in and delivers he does much better, but often throws unnecessarily off his back foot or. He's got a lot of work to do. Edited August 30, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Excuses Excuses Excuses. If you take away the drops and the bad blocking and penalties in the Eagles game Hotrod probably turns in a much better performance as well. As far as his accuracy goes, I haven't seen anything to convince me "he's accurate enough". As a senior at Pitt he threw for 60.46% including all the shovel passes. For college that's not very good. EJ threw for 67.96%. Although he does make some really nice passes sometimes, his accuracy overall is meager IMHO and not ready to start in the NFL (yet). It's not an excuse. If a QB throws a ball to a receiver and he drops it, that's on the receiver. I didn't watch how many passes Tyrod had dropped so I can't comment there. But this isn't about comparing their completion percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Excuses Excuses Excuses. If you take away the drops and the bad blocking and penalties in the Eagles game Hotrod probably turns in a much better performance as well. As far as his accuracy goes, I haven't seen anything to convince me "he's accurate enough". As a senior at Pitt he threw for 60.46% including all the shovel passes. For college that's not very good. EJ threw for 67.96%. Although he does make some really nice passes sometimes, his accuracy overall is meager IMHO and not ready to start in the NFL (yet). Luck had a below 60% completion percentage in college..... I don't think completion percentage is an accurate indicator to see how accurate a QB is....unless it's really bad. There are many factors that lead to it....type of offense and QB tendencies play a huge part of it. Sam Bradford had the highest completion percentage of all time last year because he doesn't throw downfield very often.....he's not the most accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 It's not an excuse. If a QB throws a ball to a receiver and he drops it, that's on the receiver. I didn't watch how many passes Tyrod had dropped so I can't comment there. But this isn't about comparing their completion percentages. I don't know how anyone can disagree with this post. It's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Luck had a below 60% completion percentage in college..... In his freshman year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 In his freshman year. Yep you're right....I looked at the wrong stats....nice catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 nice call....they've been gifted 4 Super Bowls. just keeping things honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 In his freshman year. In His senior year he was 71%. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/andrew-luck-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Yep you're right....I looked at the wrong stats....nice catch. well "technically" you weren't incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 In His senior year he was 71%. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/andrew-luck-1.html Yea I knew that and 70% the year prior. Luck was a very accurate QB in college, I watched a lot of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 In His senior year he was 71%. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/andrew-luck-1.html Egg on my face....LOL I thought I looked at his career when I was looking at just his freshman year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 It's not an excuse. If a QB throws a ball to a receiver and he drops it, that's on the receiver. I didn't watch how many passes Tyrod had dropped so I can't comment there. But this isn't about comparing their completion percentages. Well...... for clarity with the argument at hand ... If a QB throws a catchable ball to a receiver and he drops it ..... that's on the receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Well...... for clarity with the argument at hand ... If a QB throws a catchable ball to a receiver and he drops it ..... that's on the receiver. It's implied, since a receiver can't drop a ball that he didn't get his hands on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Well...... for clarity with the argument at hand ... If a QB throws a catchable ball to a receiver and he drops it ..... that's on the receiver. This is all true, but every QB has drops. I remember Mrs. Brady getting into a snit with a fan after a SB over dropped passes. Do we give Fitz credit for a TD pass and comeback win vs Stealers? Do we give Roger Staubach an extra completion and TD credit for hitting Jackie Smith in the numbers in the EZ vs Stealers? Good QBs can recover from drops by throwing more good passes. We haven't had anyone that can do that in a very long time. Nasty Nate is more like Fitz. He'll put a good one in there from time to time, but you better catch it. It may be a while before the next one. Edited August 30, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 This is all true, but every QB has drops. I remember Mrs. Brady getting into a snit with a fan after a SB over dropped passes. Do we give Fitz credit for a TD pass and comeback win vs Stealers? Good QBs can recover from drops by throwing more good passes. We haven't had anyone that can do that in a very long time. We gave him credit for a great throw that should have been a TD and game winner. But we also crucified Stevie for choking. As for the last part, that's akin to saying calls even out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 As for the last part, that's akin to saying calls even out. How so? I said a good QB will keep putting good passes out there. A bad QB won't. Doesn't have to do with anything evening out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 It's implied, since a receiver can't drop a ball that he didn't get his hands on. There needs to be a defined area, a bubble, where we can call it a catchable ball and not just between the #'s. Where a drop is horrible thing to do. This is all true, but every QB has drops. I remember Mrs. Brady getting into a snit with a fan after a SB over dropped passes. Do we give Fitz credit for a TD pass and comeback win vs Stealers? Do we give Roger Staubach an extra completion and TD credit for hitting Jackie Smith in the numbers in the EZ vs Stealers? Good QBs can recover from drops by throwing more good passes. We haven't had anyone that can do that in a very long time. Nasty Nate is more like Fitz. He'll put a good one in there from time to time, but you better catch it. It may be a while before the next one. Agreed - Good QBs can recover from drops by throwing more good passes. We just don't see "more good passes" from TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Agreed - Good QBs can recover from drops by throwing more good passes. We just don't see "more good passes" from TT. True. Presently we don't have anyone on our roster that can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 You're using NFL preseason and NCAA stats in one game as proof of Peterman's NFL readiness? 26 CB ... as it relates to Nate .. when Bandit references the last two years of Tyrod .. what else is at my disposal .. its not like Nate has 3 years in the NFL ... the only point is we are seeing some positives in Nate's work and if no one has watched it .... just youtube the Clemson game (#2 in the nation at the time) in what is a very hostile environment ..the kid rocked it. You can't take that away from him. No, I'm not flipping anything. I played along with old school's silly "name 5 things" challenge, and said that he should really do the same. I've stated my point over and over, and I won't do it again. I will, however, say that playing well against Clemson means nothing in the NFL. I'd rather take the guy that's done it in the NFL over the guy that's been mediocre in the preseason against backups. See above ... my only other question .. Bandit ... vs. the spectrum of today's NFL QB's ... your down in the 4th quarter ... you need to win the game ... where would you rank Tyrod. For me .. he's in the bottom half of the league ... his 4th quarter stats clearly show this ... my point is .. if he can't lead the team back (with play or leadership/inspiration) .. say what you will about Brady .. but he doesn't let his guys screw up ... I say we keep looking to improve the position. So as an olive branch .. yes TODAY ... Tyrod is better than Nate due to his NFL experience..but we know his ceiling .. since this is likely (unfortunately) a non playoff year ... why don't we test drive another option .. so we know what we have for the 2018 draft .. we know what we have in Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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