DC Tom Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Here's the opposing view and this is my opinion. Trump wanted to go into office hoping to develop a better working relationship with Putin like Bush and Obama did at the start of their terms. The intelligent agencies "Intelligence agencies." There are no intelligent agencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Here's the opposing view and this is my opinion. Trump wanted to go into office hoping to develop a better working relationship with Putin like Bush and Obama did at the start of their terms. The intelligent agencies along with Congress wanted to make sure that didn't happen. As far as Trump being "pro Putin", you don't speak ill of somebody you're about to negotiate with. Trump's mindset at the time (and probably still is) in his own words was, "Wouldn't it be great if we got along with Russia?" As far as Manafort goes, I believe that Trump's campaign was so chaotic and inexperienced they never bothered to vet Manafort. Either that or they didn't care about his Russia connections because they knew he'd be gone shortly after the convention. Your argument would hold more water if Trump was an experienced politician who expected to make it that far in the Republican primaries. The main question I have is why would Manafort take the chance and join Trump's campaign knowing this could be the end result? This has never been about collusion, it's always been about the USIC and MiC's agenda and budgets. "Intelligence agencies." There are no intelligent agencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 It was actually a mistake I was compelled to let go, except that it so clearly created a horrible misconception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Here's the opposing view and this is my opinion. Trump wanted to go into office hoping to develop a better working relationship with Putin like Bush and Obama did at the start of their terms. The intelligent agencies along with Congress wanted to make sure that didn't happen. As far as Trump being "pro Putin", you don't speak ill of somebody you're about to negotiate with. Trump's mindset at the time (and probably still is) in his own words was, "Wouldn't it be great if we got along with Russia?" As far as Manafort goes, I believe that Trump's campaign was so chaotic and inexperienced they never bothered to vet Manafort. Either that or they didn't care about his Russia connections because they knew he'd be gone shortly after the convention. Your argument would hold more water if Trump was an experienced politician who expected to make it that far in the Republican primaries. The main question I have is why would Manafort take the chance and join Trump's campaign knowing this could be the end result? Trump the strategic geopolitical thinker? Please! Trump cares about Trump, he can care less about the United States and its foreign policy. Look at the condition of the state department. Putin and Trump are tied together somehow. Manafort's ties to the region could very well be a mirror image of Trump's. If you run with the dogs you get fleas Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Any updates here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Any updates here? Jeff Sessions might be in trouble. Carter Page told him he was part of campaign and was going to Russia, lol. Maybe nothing, though. http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/carter-page-testimony-russia-trip/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Oh boy!!!!! https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/03/judge-proposes-setting-may-7-trial-date-for-manafort-and-gates-244524 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Bad week ahead for Wilbur Ross ahead - the timing of this is interesting in light of other events over the weekend: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41876939?ocid=socialflow_twitter https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Flynn and his son might be on the docket to be indicted soon. Will Flynn turn state's evidence to save his Russian Propaganda spewing son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) A sealed hearing... but the recordings are leaked. One of the many bits in this story that makes one wonder: Inside secret court hearing in Mueller's Trump-Russia probe https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/08/secret-hearing-mueller-trump-probe-244653 Edited November 8, 2017 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: A sealed hearing... but the recordings are leaked. One of the many bits in this story that makes one wonder: Inside secret court hearing in Mueller's Trump-Russia probe https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/08/secret-hearing-mueller-trump-probe-244653 This whole 'investigation' is bullsh*T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, B-Man said: This whole 'investigation' is bullsh*T Well, that's assuming the target for the investigation hasn't shifted more towards K-Street... Total, complete and absolute speculation but one thing about the "he's wearing a wire" angle bumps me. I can see him wearing a wire to get close to Trump associates, that makes sense. But it makes no sense to do so in order to get Trump. You can't get close to a sitting president while wearing a wire, I imagine it's darn next to impossible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Well, that's assuming the target for the investigation hasn't shifted more towards K-Street... Total, complete and absolute speculation but one thing about the "he's wearing a wire" angle bumps me. I can see him wearing a wire to get close to Trump associates, that makes sense. But it makes no sense to do so in order to get Trump. You can't get close to a sitting president while wearing a wire, I imagine it's darn next to impossible... And probably 100% illegal for very good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: And probably 100% illegal for very good reason. I would imagine so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Quote U.S. investigators are focusing on an enduring mystery of the 2016 election: whether Trump campaign officials made the Republican Party platform more friendly to Russia as part of some broader effort to collude with the Kremlin, according to congressional records and people familiar with the probes. Congressional investigators have interviewed ex-Donald Trump aides and advisers including J.D. Gordon, the national security policy representative at last year’s GOP convention, about the campaign’s push to remove proposed language from the 2016 Republican platform that called for giving weapons to Ukraine. People involved with crafting the platform also were expecting interest from special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, such as witness interviews or producing documents, some of those sources said. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/08/republicans-russia-platform-fight-244672 Key evidence of collusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 By James V. Grimaldi, Shane Harris and Aruna Viswanatha Nov. 10, 2017 5:33 a.m. ET WASHINGTON—Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating an alleged plan involving former White House National Security Adviser Mike Flynn to forcibly remove a Muslim cleric living in the U.S. and deliver him to Turkey in return for millions of dollars, according to people familiar with the investigation. https://www.wsj.com/articles/mueller-probes-flynns-role-in-alleged-plan-to-deliver-cleric-to-turkey-1510309982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Putin is upset! Oh my! Guilty people act guilty President Trump says he was once again reassured by Russian President Vladimir Putin that Moscow did not engage in election meddling while the two had a brief interaction on the sidelines of the APEC summit on Saturday. “You can only ask so many times... he said he absolutely did not meddle in our election,” Trump told reporters on Air Force One. The Russian president seemed “very insulted by it, which is not a good thing for our country,” Trump said. The president said he had “two or three” brief chats with Putin in the Vietnamese port city of Da Nang. “He (Putin) said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again,” Trump said. He did not directly address whether he believes Putin’s assertions but said he “really” believes “that when he tells me that he means it.” The comments come days after special counsel Robert Mueller’s team produced its first indictments in the ongoing Russia investigation. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and his business partner Rick Gates were hit with charges in connection with the probe last month. https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-putin-is-very-insulted-by-election-meddling-claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 DANANG, Vietnam — President Trump said on Saturday that he believed President Vladimir V. Putin was sincere in his repeated denials of interference in the 2016 presidential elections, calling the investigations into Moscow’s meddling a politically motivated “hit job” that is hindering cooperation with Russia on life-or-death issues. “He said he didn’t meddle — I asked him again,” Mr. Trump told reporters traveling with him aboard Air Force One. “You can only ask so many times. I just asked him again. He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they are saying he did." “Every time he sees me he says, ‘I didn’t do that,’ and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it. He says, ‘I didn’t do that.’ I think he is very insulted by it, which is not a good thing for our country.” https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/world/asia/trump-putin-election.html?referer= Trump 1974: "Nixon said that he absolutely was not a crook, so they should shut down the fake news Watergate investigation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Of course he denied it. I looked into his eyes ? and I could see he was a good man. ‘Murica I miss W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/10/cia-director-john-brennan-quit-mark-udall https://www.today.com/news/ex-cia-director-michael-hayden-torture-report-i-didnt-lie-1D80349126 The three people who created the false "Russian hacked the election" narrative are all known and proven liars. But they're being forthright about this one... right, guys?! Edited November 11, 2017 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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