Scott7975 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 If you approve of calling people clowns and fools, well where does that put you. Don't forget when crusher said that he can't wait for Tyrod to fail because he was going to come back and destroy us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Sir except that his stats DIDNT plummet His stats got worse almost across the board from year one to year two. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 SHM why anyone takes crusher serious is beyond belief no offense crusher, but it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 You specifically said at one point back on BBMB you wanted TT to fail so you could disparage everyone who likes the guy. I'm paraphrasing but you did exactly that, so you can spare everyone the choir boy routine. You, transplant, jm2009 are all acting like three year olds. You did so back on BBMB and you're all just continuing it here. I just want to talk Taylor in this thread, and I thought the discussion was done except Foxx decided to randomly bump it. As always, I'll be respectful and limit discussion to that unless someone like Crusher directly insults me. Indy, why come into a discussion you haven't been in just to try and regulate? I guess your new name fits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I just want to talk Taylor in this thread, and I thought the discussion was done except Foxx decided to randomly bump it. As always, I'll be respectful and limit discussion to that unless someone like Crusher directly insults me. Indy, why come into a discussion you haven't been in just to try and regulate? I guess your new name fits I have added other comments here I believe. But the three of you guys all exhibit the same kind of behavior, then claim it's only the other guy. TT is the starting QB this coming year. We'll see how he does under a new OC and new system.case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 His stats got worse almost across the board from year one to year two. What? Do you understand what the word "plummet" means? How about the word "regress"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I have added other comments here I believe. But the three of you guys all exhibit the same kind of behavior, then claim it's only the other guy. TT is the starting QB this coming year. We'll see how he does under a new OC and new system.case closed. I am skeptical about TT, but it only benefits the team if he emerges as a strong franchise qb. I hope it works out. Either way, play on the field, not message board opinion, will determine what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I am skeptical about TT, but it only benefits the team if he emerges as a strong franchise qb. I hope it works out. Either way, play on the field, not message board opinion, will determine what happens. One of the things that gets me a little nuts is that folks keep talking about TT the last year or two, but refuse to acknowledge that he will be playing this year with an OC that he has history with and wanted to keep him on the roster. I suspect Dennison will do things like move TT out on partial rollouts, etc. to open up passing lanes. I'm looking for a couple things in terms of TT improving: 1. The whole middle of the field stuff: And I do not want to read one more time how he does not use the deep middle of the field vs. the middle third vs. whether the middle of the field is the mathematical mean vs. between the hash marks and all that other nonsense that's gone around here way too long. There is data for and against this stuff about TT not using the middle of the field. I would like to see more patterns where there are guys designed to be targeted in that area. Seam routes to TEs, shallow crossing patterns and such. 2. Sammy: I think if Sammy is healthy that will be huge. And they need to use Sammy creatively. Bubble screen, quick slants, and not just deep sideline routes. Let him use his athleticism. 3. Anticipation: I think a valid concern with TT is throwing to WRs when they are not completely open, i.e. throwing them open. He has thrown to Sammy when Sammy has been tightly covered, but Sammy has the ability to go get the ball. To me TT has been more reluctant with other receivers. 4. Taking chances: Some folks say they want to see TT take more chances and risk INTs. I completely disagree. I think if you have a QB that can't move then either he takes a chance or throws it away. Given TT's running ability to me I see no reason to force balls into bad situations. Tuck the ball and run. One of the good things TT does is limit turnovers; don't change that. I think it's 50:50 he has the kind of year that earns him a bigger deal. We should all hope he does so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 If he did say that, he wasn't wrong. He was talking his first year. They didn't plummet. Year one to year two was a bit worse but still didn't plummet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Indy is correct about this situation, but he is not all innocent of arguments himself. He has carried his battles with Thurman on here.he should stay away from Thurman, and we should stay away from Crusher. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 He was talking his first year. They didn't plummet. Year one to year two was a bit worse but still didn't plummet. With all do respect to that poster....I feel that he was using the word "plummet" because it stand out much more then "regress" "plummet" insinuates fall off the ledge bad numbers.....which we all know isnt true When regress is more accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Indy is correct about this situation, but he is not all innocent of arguments himself. He has carried his battles with Thurman on here.he should stay away from Thurman, and we should stay away from Crusher. It's that simple. Good point. I think I've backed off a lot from that. At least I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) With all do respect to that poster....I feel that he was using the word "plummet" because it stand out much more then "regress" "plummet" insinuates fall off the ledge bad numbers.....which we all know isnt true When regress is more accurate Sandwiched between Tannenhill and Simien isn't a good ledge to perch on. Edited June 15, 2017 by Maury Ballstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I just want to talk Taylor in this thread, and I thought the discussion was done except Foxx decided to randomly bump it. As always, I'll be respectful and limit discussion to that unless someone like Crusher directly insults me. Indy, why come into a discussion you haven't been in just to try and regulate? I guess your new name fits Why the complaint about people "randomly" bumping this thread? It's what you should do. Please Use Search Function for topics already being discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Sandwiched between Tannenhill and Simien isn't a good ledge to perch on. thoughts on being sandwiched between Bradford and Wentz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Sandwiched between Tannenhill and Simien isn't a good ledge to perch on. Ryan, With all due respect that was actually not the question. It had to do with QB numbers from year one and year 2 and the word "plummet" Where he ranks between qbs is a separate subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 thoughts on being sandwiched between Bradford and Wentz? That sandwich was fresher the 1st half of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 I have added other comments here I believe. But the three of you guys all exhibit the same kind of behavior, then claim it's only the other guy. TT is the starting QB this coming year. We'll see how he does under a new OC and new system.case closed. I am skeptical about TT, but it only benefits the team if he emerges as a strong franchise qb. I hope it works out. Either way, play on the field, not message board opinion, will determine what happens. Here's the thing, the case won't be closed because, for some, it's pretty clear that there's a pretty well defined and rigidly set type of QB we absolutely need in order to be successful. Taylor's never going to be a QB throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. It's not the type of QB he is. I suspect that in terms of production, you're not going to see Taylor do significantly more than he did in 2015. Do I think he can throw for 4,000 yards in a season and 30 TDs? In the right circumstances and system, sure. The question is, would that be enough to satisfy you? For some, I think the answer is pretty clearly no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Here's the thing, the case won't be closed because, for some, it's pretty clear that there's a pretty well defined and rigidly set type of QB we absolutely need in order to be successful. Taylor's never going to be a QB throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. It's not the type of QB he is. I suspect that in terms of production, you're not going to see Taylor do significantly more than he did in 2015. Do I think he can throw for 4,000 yards in a season and 30 TDs? In the right circumstances and system, sure. The question is, would that be enough to satisfy you? For some, I think the answer is pretty clearly no. I just want to see Tyrod pull out close games at the end of games....I still think he is capable of that and I think that if he DOES do that...he will silence some (not all) of his critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Taylor's never going to be a QB throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. It's not the type of QB he is. I suspect that in terms of production, you're not going to see Taylor do significantly more than he did in 2015. Do I think he can throw for 4,000 yards in a season and 30 TDs? That is 250 ypg and 1.875 TD passes per game. That's what I'd love to see. 50 more yards per game and at minimum 2 TD passes is all I ask 250 - 265 club #'s 12 - 19 Russell Wilson, 264 Derek Carr, 262 Sam Bradford, 258 Jameis Winston, 256 Eli Manning, 252 Blake Bortles, 244 Trevor Siemian, 243 # 27 Tyrod Taylor, 202 Edited June 15, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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