Maury Ballstein Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Thank you. That's just a cheap rhetorical tactic. Aren't you the guy that cooked stats when you first joined here ? This is worse than Trump vs Hilly backers. Gross. O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I've said this on the other board and I'll say it here (and it's been said by quite a few so pardon the redundancy)..... * Taylor is the best option right now. * Taylor has not carried the team like you would want a franchise QB to do (which is why he can't be considered a franchise QB at this point) * His skill set has had a positive effect on the run game (which many deny but I'm sticking to basic football logic for this bullet point) * He throws as nice a deep ball as anyone in the league * Taylor's skill set is better suited with Dennison's style of offense * Taylor has had issues with anticipation throws.....due in part to not having starting WR's available.....also, not wanting to turn the ball over, he opts for the conservative approach * Taylor checks down a bit more than I would like It's funny how some people can't look at Taylor objectively....."he sucks" "he'll never be a franchise QB" "he can't throw over the middle" etc....... JM2009 pretty much hit the nail on the head....Taylor hasn't been THE problem. Has his play been limited? Yes. But if you paired his efforts with the 2014 Bills defense, they'd have made the playoffs without question. IMO, McDermott and his coaches will put the players in a better position to be successful. That's one thing Rex struggled mightily to do. Sticking with the circus terminology, the clown show is over....now it's time to move on to the lion tamers and the high wire act where concentration and hard work are critical to their success. Taylor not being the solution makes him part of the problem. The QB play isn't good enough. A simplified offense with no complexity to it that is exposed when passing is how games are decided is a major problem. It's highly unlikely he fixes those passing issues also at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Everyone and their mother knew what I meant by 20ish. Picking nits doesn't invalidate the spirit of my argument to anybody except the ones who look for any little victory in a sea of defeat. Cheap tactics. Cheap. Rhetorical. Tactics. If your point wouldn't have been invalidated by saying "28 times a game," then why didn't you do it? In fact, if you were going closer to reality, which rounds to the nearest 10, you would have said "30ish." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Aren't you the guy that cooked stats when you first joined here ? This is worse than Trump vs Hilly backers. Gross. O Meanwhile Ryan you provide no stats....just like to go after individual poster's....thats why you and your different screen handles are in and out on vacations Taylor not being the solution makes him part of the problem. The QB play isn't good enough. A simplified offense with no complexity to it that is exposed when passing is how games are decided is a major problem. It's highly unlikely he fixes those passing issues also at this point bla bla bla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Sorry John, It was a general comment ... I didn't mean for you to imply I meant you specifically blamed the Defense. 16, 17, 18, 19... Seems to be about middle of the pack, no? Middling D, middling O... 8-8 is about right if you ask me. All I was trying to say is that plenty of playoff teams had defenses rated much worse than Buffalo;'s yet they managed to make the playoffs. What is the missing common denominator? A good to very good QB that can win a game with the pass when it is needed. I'm Taylor'd out today. No further comment. By DVOA we were rated 26th. This put us above powerhouses like Detroit, SF, Cleveland, Indy, and NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 All of the first paragraph is what a lot of you guys base your entire argument on: The Bills were going to release Taylor if he didn't take a pay cut! I respect your opinion, but I disagree. And it's an opinion, certainly not fact. And it's pure arrogance to call it fact. I've laid out my position on this before so I'm not going to type it again. You've heard it before. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that your assumptions are anything more than speculation. Just remember... the Bills had ALL the control in that situation. All they had to do was exercise an option on a contract Taylor was already under to keep him. So in your opinion, Tyrod doesn't cave, the Bills would have kept Tyrod on his original extension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 My apologies. I didn't realize calling you out for discounting nearly 1/3 of his attempts per game was nitpicking... Discounting? Oh no. When we were in control of games in 2015, how many times did TT pass? Against Indy? Against Miami? Cheap tactics. Cheap. Rhetorical. Tactics. If your point wouldn't have been invalidated by saying "28 times a game," then why didn't you do it? In fact, if you were going closer to reality, which rounds to the nearest 10, you would have said "30ish." Invalidated? The poster child for a small victory in an ocean of defeat. and how do you know that would have even been a franchise qb......THEY ARE NOT EVEN READY TO START Define "most" Look around you....you are not in the majority Just because you and transplant spam your opinion, that doesn't make you the "majority" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Discounting? Oh no. When we were in control of games in 2015, how many times did TT pass? Against Indy? Against Miami? Invalidated? The poster child for a small victory in an ocean of defeat. Just because you and transplant spam your opinion, that doesn't make you the "majority" lol. I believe we also control the "silent majority" just because a group of haters that you can count on one hand pollute every post on the board....does not mean your the majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I believe we also control the "silent majority" just because a group of haters that you can count on one hand pollute every post on the board....does not mean your the majority "Haters?" Now now, John, that sounds an awful lot like name calling. Restrain yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 "Haters?" Now now, John, that sounds an awful lot like name calling. Restrain yourself. no it wasnt attached to any specific person in my post....im good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Taylor not being the solution makes him part of the problem. The QB play isn't good enough. A simplified offense with no complexity to it that is exposed when passing is how games are decided is a major problem. It's highly unlikely he fixes those passing issues also at this point So what, exactly, is your solution? He's the best option at this point. Do you have a better idea? Or just complaining with trite phrases? bla bla bla That sums it up nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) Meanwhile Ryan you provide no stats....just like to go after individual poster's....thats why you and your different screen handles are in and out on vacations bla bla bla I wasn't talking to you John from crusade. You've already attacked 50 people in this thread, please leave me alone. Remember that time qb1 let you down so you wanted to trade MD for a qb ? Those were the days. I can easily provide stats or you can scroll to the bottom of NFL.com and see them there. I won't/can't discuss them as only you 4 are allowed to crusade. And yes I have reported you. Edited May 18, 2017 by Maury Ballstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Discounting? Oh no. When we were in control of games in 2015, how many times did TT pass? Against Indy? Against Miami? So you believe that 2 games is a better sample than 29? Okay. I disagree, but that's fine. Here's what I know (because I'm bored and it's a slow day in the office). In the past 2 seasons Tyrod Taylor has: Started 29 Games Completed 511 Passes (17.6 per Game) Attempted 816 Passes (28.1 per Game) A 62.6% Completion Rate Passed for 6,058 Yards (208.9 per Game; 7.42 per Attempt) Passed for 37 TDs (1.28 per Game) Thrown 12 INTs (0.41 per Game) Ran the ball 199 times (6.9 per Game) Ran for 1,148 Yards (39.6 per Game) Ran for 10 TDs (0.34 per Game) Lost 1 Fumble That comes out to: 35 combined attempts per game 248.5 combined yards per game 1.62 TDs per game 0.45 Turnovers per game 7.10 Yards per Touch In games Tyrod has started, the Bills have scored an average of 24.69 points per game (Median of 25 PPG, for what it's worth). These are the facts over 2 seasons of play. If your opinion is that isn't good enough, that's fine. I'm not here to convince you otherwise. I just think people should use actual stats to back up their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 So you believe that 2 games is a better sample than 29? Okay. I disagree, but that's fine. Here's what I know (because I'm bored and it's a slow day in the office). In the past 2 seasons Tyrod Taylor has: Started 29 Games Completed 511 Passes (17.6 per Game) Attempted 816 Passes (28.1 per Game) A 62.6% Completion Rate Passed for 6,058 Yards (208.9 per Game; 7.42 per Attempt) Passed for 37 TDs (1.28 per Game) Thrown 12 INTs (0.41 per Game) Ran the ball 199 times (6.9 per Game) Ran for 1,148 Yards (39.6 per Game) Ran for 10 TDs (0.34 per Game) Lost 1 Fumble That comes out to: 35 combined attempts per game 248.5 combined yards per game 1.62 TDs per game 0.45 Turnovers per game 7.10 Yards per Touch In games Tyrod has started, the Bills have scored an average of 24.69 points per game (Median of 25 PPG, for what it's worth). These are the facts over 2 seasons of play. If your opinion is that isn't good enough, that's fine. I'm not here to convince you otherwise. I just think people should use actual stats to back up their position. 35 combined attempts? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Meanwhile Ryan you provide no stats....just like to go after individual poster's....thats why you and your different screen handles are in and out on vacations Ryan? OMFG... is that the same Ryan who was on here who had Trubisky as his avatar? I was wondering where that guy went. Explains a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) 35 combined attempts? What? Passes and runs. (816+199=1015/29=35) It's pretty much the number of times per game that the Bills asked him to do something with the ball. Edited May 18, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) So in your opinion, Tyrod doesn't cave, the Bills would have kept Tyrod on his original extension? Yes. Invalidated? The poster child for a small victory in an ocean of defeat. Thanks for admitting you were wrong to do that ...even if you're doing it in a weasly way Edited May 18, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Moulds on my A** Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Ryan? OMFG... is that the same Ryan who was on here who had Trubisky as his avatar? I was wondering where that guy went. Explains a lot Dude Need Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-OTA-notes---Week-1/9ec86ac2-204f-4746-a166-cf9c6dd080df?platform=hootsuite....Tyrod at OTAs Edited May 18, 2017 by Kemp2Warlick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) Passes and runs. (816+199=1015/29=35) It's pretty much the number of times per game that the Bills asked him to do something with the ball. ...would be interesting to see out of the 9 losses, which games were "out of reach" and what his stats were in garbage time.....stats can be manipulative and misleading......NOT as a negative vote against TT, just curious as to how the picture differs....... Edited May 18, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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