Punching Bag Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-best-quarterbacks-signed-roster-ranked-employed-top-50-040417 Top 50 QB (currently signed) List so no Kap, Cutter, etc. Two teams have 2 top 32 Qbs (Toilets and Broncos) and 7 more have 2 in top 40. Not sure I'd include Winston in top 10 or Bradford in top 20. 1 Aaron Rodgers, Packers 2 Tom Brady, Patriots 3 Drew Brees, Saints 4 Matt Ryan, Falcons 5 Russell Wilson, Seahawks 6 Andrew Luck, Colts 7 Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers 8 Derek Carr, Raiders 9 Jameis Winston, Buccaneers 10 Matthew Stafford, Lions 11 Philip Rivers, Chargers 12 Marcus Mariota, Titans 13 Dak Prescott, Cowboys 14 Kirk Cousins, Redskins 15 Sam Bradford, Vikings 16 Cam Newton, Panthers 17 Eli Manning, Giants 18 Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins 19 Carson Wentz, Eagles 20 Joe Flacco, Ravens 21 Tyrod Taylor, Bills 22 Carson Palmer, Cardinals 23 Andy Dalton, Bengals 24 Alex Smith, Chiefs 25 Blake Bortles, Jaguars 26 Trevor Siemian, Broncos 27 Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots 28 Jared Goff, Rams 29 Brian Hoyer, 49ers 30 Cody Kessler, Browns 31 Mike Glennon, Bears 32 Paxton Lynch, Broncos 33 Brock Osweiler, Browns 34 Matt Moore, Dolphins 35 Nick Foles, Eagles 36 Matt Barkley, 49ers 37 AJ McCarron, Bengals 38 Josh McCown, Jets 39 Colt McCoy, Redskins 40 Geno Smith, Giants 41 Matt Cassel, Titans 42 Tom Savage, Texans 43 Landry Jones, Steelers 44 Mark Sanchez, Bears 45 Brett Hundley, Packers 46 Matt Schaub, Falcons 47 Drew Stanton, Cardinals 48 Chase Daniel, Saints 49 Case Keenum, Vikings 50 Connor Cook, Raiders Sorry about double post, We have this nanny software and sometimes it gets jacked up and requires password which never works so I need to make some change and repost. Sometimes it posts twice after that. Edited April 5, 2017 by Koolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 That list feels fair I think. There are always some guys that some like more than others. It's close at least. When it comes to the backups those guys feel like the most dependable guys (Foles, McCown, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Came here to say EJ was too high, but he didn't even make the list. TT > Dalton and Palmer is insanity. Edited April 5, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 This is actually a pretty ok list. I would flip Ben and Luck, and Bradford is kinda high in my opinion. Came here to say EJ was too high, but he didn't even make the list.Still too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Came here to say EJ was too high, but he didn't even make the list. TT > Dalton and Palmer is insanity. He's been virtually identical to Dalton the last 2 years. Dalton 3 more TDs, 3 more INTs. It's certainly not insanity but one of those "subjective" spots. I would flip flop Dalton and Tannehill and I may slide Wentz down a few spots. Cam is too low as well. Bradford too high. Edited April 5, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 He's been virtually identical to Dalton the last 2 years. Dalton 3 more TDs, 3 more INTs. It's certainly not insanity but one of those "subjective" spots. I would flip flop Dalton and Tannehill and I may slide Wentz down a few spots. Cam is too low as well. Bradford too high. Oh Kirby, no. Dalton was an MVP candidate 2 years ago. TT was a pleasant surprise. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Oh Kirby, no. Dalton was an MVP candidate 2 years ago. TT was a pleasant surprise. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylTy00.htm Doesn't change the fact that Dalton has 50 TDs in 29 games and Tyrod 47. Dalton has 15 INTs, Tyrod 12. Dalton is 16-12-1, Tyrod is 15-14. Dalton accounts for 268 yards per game, Tyrod, 248 yards per game. I have Dalton above him but let's not act like it is insanity. That is what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Doesn't change the fact that Dalton has 50 TDs in 29 games and Tyrod 47. Dalton has 15 INTs, Tyrod 12. Dalton is 16-12-1, Tyrod is 15-14. Dalton accounts for 268 yards per game, Tyrod, 248 yards per game. I have Dalton above him but let's not act like it is insanity. That is what I said. You're welcome to look at YPA, sacks and fumbles too my dude. And GWD's/4QC. 32 out of 32 GM's take Dalton over TT. That makes it insanity, IMO. Edited April 5, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Luck at 6? Based on what? Ahead of Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Netwon? You can't say longevity and future performance with Brady and Brees at 2 and 3. Newton at 16? I would take him over every other QB except Brady and Rodgers if you are talking about only next year. I would take him over all of them if you are talking for the next 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 You're welcome to look at YPA, sacks and fumbles too my dude. And GWD's/4QC. 32 out of 32 GM's take Dalton over TT. That makes it insanity, IMO. I am on it. Dalton 12.0 YPC, 7.9 YPA, 61 sacks, 4 GWD, 14 fumbles. Tyrod 11.9 YPC, 7.4 YPS, 78 sacks, 3 GWD, 13 fumbles. I'm not seeing this chasm that you keep insisting exists (outside of sacks)? I've said I'd have Dalton a few spots higher (and above TT) but your bias is clouding the facts. They aren't terribly different. If you'd do the exact same drill with Tannehill you will find that TT actually has been more effective. I'm not going to put this together all night but you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 You're welcome to look at YPA, sacks and fumbles too my dude. And GWD's/4QC. 32 out of 32 GM's take Dalton over TT. That makes it insanity, IMO. Says who? Dalton has peaked and is on the downside already. Take away AJ Green and he is a terribly flawed QB. Give TT a healthy Watkins and 31 of 32 GM take TT over Dalton any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Luck at 6? Based on what? Ahead of Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Netwon? You can't say longevity and future performance with Brady and Brees at 2 and 3. Newton at 16? I would take him over every other QB except Brady and Rodgers if you are talking about only next year. I would take him over all of them if you are talking for the next 5-10 years. Agree with you on this Dragonborn. If they are ranking the top 50 today (which it seems like) no way is Luck 10 spots ahead of Cam (or Bradford ahead of Cam). Edited April 5, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I am on it. Dalton 12.0 YPC, 7.9 YPA, 61 sacks, 4 GWD, 14 fumbles. Tyrod 11.9 YPC, 7.4 YPS, 78 sacks, 3 GWD, 13 fumbles. I'm not seeing this chasm that you keep insisting exists (outside of sacks)? I've said I'd have Dalton a few spots higher (and above TT) but your bias is clouding the facts. They aren't terribly different. If you'd do the exact same drill with Tannehill you will find that TT actually has been more effective. I'm not going to put this together all night but you get the point. I mean when every stat is better (you ignored fumbles lost), one is clearly better. Dalton has more TD's, less INT's, better YPP, better completion, less sacks, etc etc etc. You continue to post that TT is worse than Dalton in every single stat and you don't understand why he's clearly better? Says who? Dalton has peaked and is on the downside already. Take away AJ Green and he is a terribly flawed QB. Give TT a healthy Watkins and 31 of 32 GM take TT over Dalton any day. I forgot that was why TT with Sammy Watkins almost all year in 2015 was an MVP candidate and Dalton with AJ Green all year was a pleasant surprise who had to beat EJ and Cassel out in camp getting paid $600k a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 You're welcome to look at YPA, sacks and fumbles too my dude. And GWD's/4QC. 32 out of 32 GM's take Dalton over TT. That makes it insanity, IMO. FC, how do you expect to persuade people by using wild speculation instead of logic & facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 From what I see, it is pretty much all speculation that made this list or at least most of it. That is what these type of lists are. It doesn't precedent itself by saying this is a list based on any set of stats, so then there must be a level of speculation and subjectivity to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I did my ranking of the 32 starters earlier in the offseason and yea..... I kinda prefer my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Doesn't change the fact that Dalton has 50 TDs in 29 games and Tyrod 47. Dalton has 15 INTs, Tyrod 12. Dalton is 16-12-1, Tyrod is 15-14. Dalton accounts for 268 yards per game, Tyrod, 248 yards per game. I have Dalton above him but let's not act like it is insanity. That is what I said.actually, Tyrod is 14-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 actually, Tyrod is 14-14. Matt Cassel says "hi" and Rex Ryan says "ill timed trick plays are great". His reign started with one and it all but ended with one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 bills better use the #10 pick on a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I would move Tyrod to 14th on the list. His overall value is better than Flacco, Wentz, Tannehill, Newton, Manning, Bradford and Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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