SinceThe70s Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Another Fan said: As I've probably mentioned in this thread at some point, The thing that REALLY bothered me about Beltran was not the strikeout but when he signed with the Yankees years later. His first act was to say how the Mets mistreated him despite never actually leading the club to the World Series. But I mean to be fair I've said some not so kind things about other people before I wished I could take back. I suppose I can learn to forgive. However, if memory serves me correct he always had a pretty bland personality as a Met and didn't enjoy talking to the media. I can't remember any real leadership abilities as well. Carlos better realize he's the liaison between the front office and the media. The Wilsons never talk to the media. Brodie will only show up when it's convenient for him. He's gonna have to learn to be an extrovert for a quiet kind of guy or he'll get eaten alive and spit right back out. As of right now I really don't like this hire. I wish Mickey was still around if they weren't going to pursue Girardi. I hope I'm made to look like a fool but this is gonna be as bad a hire as Adam Gase for the Jets Bolded where I agree, strikethrough where I don't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) Some trivia on Beltran, he made the last out at the old Tiger Stadium 20 years ago ironically on a strike out Edited November 2, 2019 by Another Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, Another Fan said: Some trivia on Beltran, he made the last out at the old Tiger Stadium 20 years ago ironically on a strike out Well at least he swung the bat that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Speaking of the Tigers, check out their 2014 starting rotation: Max Scherzer Justin Verlander Anibal Sanchez David Price Rick Porcello 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 21 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: He better bring in a veteran bench coach. As far as I know he's never managed a game at any level. Never managed, nor coached. He's only been in the dugout as a player and is only two years removed from that. At least Callaway had an impressive resume as a pitching coach ... and he was STILL clueless as to how to manage a team. Remember batting out of order??? As stated above, it's crucial that he hires a top notch bench coach. I'm sure he will. My only concern ... which is not a Beltran concern, per se ... is that BVW will continue to manage from his couch. I would bet my house that that's the reason Girardi isn't here. It's just like the Washington Redskins. Only people desperate to be a HC would even consider that gig. As long as it's the Wilpons and BVW, the Mets will be the same. That said, young, first year managers have done well in recent years. Mets have a lot of talent. While I'm not particularly crazy about the hire, I'm still very optimistic about the Mets' chances to compete. LGFM! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Never managed, nor coached. He's only been in the dugout as a player and is only two years removed from that. At least Callaway had an impressive resume as a pitching coach ... and he was STILL clueless as to how to manage a team. Remember batting out of order??? As stated above, it's crucial that he hires a top notch bench coach. I'm sure he will. My only concern ... which is not a Beltran concern, per se ... is that BVW will continue to manage from his couch. I would bet my house that that's the reason Girardi isn't here. It's just like the Washington Redskins. Only people desperate to be a HC would even consider that gig. As long as it's the Wilpons and BVW, the Mets will be the same. That said, young, first year managers have done well in recent years. Mets have a lot of talent. While I'm not particularly crazy about the hire, I'm still very optimistic about the Mets' chances to compete. LGFM! Agreed on everything. Besides bench coach it will also be interesting to see who else he brings in to coach. We all had a good laugh when Phil Regan took over as pitching coach, but that turned out pretty well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/2/2019 at 2:14 PM, Gugny said: My only concern ... which is not a Beltran concern, per se ... is that BVW will continue to manage from his couch. Bingo.Carlos Beltran won’t be making all the decisions as Mets manager I do think it's cute that Beltran thinks BVW is his BFF now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Bingo.Carlos Beltran won’t be making all the decisions as Mets manager I do think it's cute that Beltran thinks BVW is his BFF now. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Golden Goat said: Bingo.Carlos Beltran won’t be making all the decisions as Mets manager I do think it's cute that Beltran thinks BVW is his BFF now. My initial reaction was obviously very negative to the hire. Instead of dwelling on it I didn't pay attention to any of it over the weekend. Against my better judgment I listened to Carlos's intro press conference on the way home. Brodie pretty much talked more than half the time more so than Beltran. Beltran just umm seemed like he's not understanding what he's getting himself into imo. Like the article if that was any preview to the season Brodie's running the show. No surprise Compare to the Phillies press conference introducing Girardi. GM talked for a minute then gave it all over to Joe. Could tell Joe wants to win. No BS there. I don't want to keep spreading the negativity here. Checking out for a while P.S. Did you laugh at the clip? wink wink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Now we will see. A true test of Beltran's maturity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Here's the name of the ONE A-HOLE who didn't vote for Alonso: The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly. What. A. Dick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Degrom does it again! Second Cy Young in a row! Here's to the best pitcher in baseball! Next year, please score more runs for this guy! 10 hours ago, Gugny said: Here's the name of the ONE A-HOLE who didn't vote for Alonso: The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly. What. A. Dick. There is always one D...head on every block. There was no reason for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Rocket94 said: Degrom does it again! Second Cy Young in a row! Here's to the best pitcher in baseball! Next year, please score more runs for this guy! I'm a middle of the road person. Brodie's made some bad moves. But he did get DeGrom signed and brought Alonso up to start the season. Both of those moves could be viewed as not Wilpon-esque. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said: I'm a middle of the road person. Brodie's made some bad moves. But he did get DeGrom signed and brought Alonso up to start the season. Both of those moves could be viewed as not Wilpon-esque. Sometimes the Mets organization will make some very capable moves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, Rocket94 said: Sometimes the Mets organization will make some very capable moves! Brodie is a lightning rod. Cano/Diaz/Kelenic/Dunn will be his legacy for better or worse. Right now it looks horrendous even though Kelenic and Dunn are still unproven. But what people forget is that he dumped Jay Bruce in the deal and Diaz looked like a great pickup at the time. NOBODY predicted the Diaz drop-off. Poop happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, SinceThe70s said: Brodie is a lightning rod. Cano/Diaz/Kelenic/Dunn will be his legacy for better or worse. Right now it looks horrendous even though Kelenic and Dunn are still unproven. But what people forget is that he dumped Jay Bruce in the deal and Diaz looked like a great pickup at the time. NOBODY predicted the Diaz drop-off. Poop happens. It is scary to think how Brodie set the Mets back in such short a time. Hopefully Diaz bounces back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Rocket94 said: It is scary to think how Brodie set the Mets back in such short a time. Hopefully Diaz bounces back. They competed for the wild card late into the season.That's not a setback IMO. He signed deGrom, didn't bury Alonso for the extra year of control (I thought that was stupid at the time), turned McNeil into a better hitting Zobrist (some folks thought this was bound to fail), brought in J.D. Davis, didn't give up on Dom Smith ( I would have) , had a minor league system with major league ready talent (Hechevaria, Carlos Gomez, Rajai Davis) and decisively cut ties with the likes of Keon Broxton and Aaron Altherr. Oh yeah, he also fired Mickey.That's a good, thing amirite? I'm not sold on Brodie by any means but I do think his vocal detractors ignore what he's done well (and yes, I get that his bullpen was an unmitigated disaster and he's gutted the minor leagues - as long as you consider losing three players 'gutting') LGM, Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/13/2019 at 11:00 PM, SinceThe70s said: Brodie is a lightning rod. Cano/Diaz/Kelenic/Dunn will be his legacy for better or worse. Right now it looks horrendous even though Kelenic and Dunn are still unproven. But what people forget is that he dumped Jay Bruce in the deal and Diaz looked like a great pickup at the time. NOBODY predicted the Diaz drop-off. Poop happens. Diaz was the best closer in the game in 2017. Getting him was a solid move. Having Cano be part of the deal ... far less solid. I'm very hopeful and somewhat confident that Diaz will be the powerhouse we expected him to be next season. With no Familia (that ***** guy) and a properly managed bullpen/pitching staff for an entire year, good things can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Gugny said: Diaz was the best closer in the game in 2017. Getting him was a solid move. Having Cano be part of the deal ... far less solid. I'm very hopeful and somewhat confident that Diaz will be the powerhouse we expected him to be next season. With no Familia (that ***** guy) and a properly managed bullpen/pitching staff for an entire year, good things can happen. Cano and Familia were both such horrible moves it sort of overshadows everything else. Those were EJ Manuel-level blunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Cano and Familia were both such horrible moves it sort of overshadows everything else. Those were EJ Manuel-level blunders. I'm not gonna disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 hours ago, KD in CA said: Cano and Familia were both such horrible moves it sort of overshadows everything else. Those were EJ Manuel-level blunders. Mentioning Cano without acknowledging that it also meant dumping Jay Bruce to make room for younger players is over-simplifying. It was a trade with a lot of risk/reward. Unfortunately it's been all downside. And will get worse if/when Kelenic becomes a star. Just saw an article a few days ago about him that made me throw up in my mouth. This could become our Frank Costanza: why did you trade Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Made it back home on tuesday...missed you fellas. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Things that make you go hmmmm: Steve Cohen in talks to increase his investment in the Mets. I don't know the first thing about him, but the thought of the Wilpon's stepping away puts a grinchy grin on my face. https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-sale-fred-jeff-wilpon-steve-cohen-1.39223180 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Source: Wheeler a Philly 5 years, $118M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 More info coming out on Cohen. A few quotes from the articles below: The potential new owner of the Mets may have faults — but spending money is not one of them. Cohen — who is notorious on Wall Street for multiple insider trading scandals.... “Part of me wishes this was literally any other guy, but the other part of me remembers that Steve f—ing hates to lose,” one hedge fund manager and Mets fan told The Post “He grew up a Mets fan [in Great Neck]. He went to games in the Polo Grounds. He has deep pockets. He is a passionate fan. If I were a Met fan, I would expect that means more money [for payroll].” the friend of Cohen said. “This is not a purchase you make at that amount to make money. You don’t make it to strip down payroll. You make it to enjoy the team you have spent your life rooting for. If I am a Mets fan, this is a big day to celebrate.” https://nypost.com/2019/12/04/steve-cohen-is-mets-godsend-that-should-bother-the-yankees/ https://nypost.com/2019/12/04/mets-likely-savior-steve-cohen-is-a-controversial-free-spender-who-f-ing-hates-to-lose/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 10 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: More info coming out on Cohen. A few quotes from the articles below: The potential new owner of the Mets may have faults — but spending money is not one of them. Cohen — who is notorious on Wall Street for multiple insider trading scandals.... “Part of me wishes this was literally any other guy, but the other part of me remembers that Steve f—ing hates to lose,” one hedge fund manager and Mets fan told The Post “He grew up a Mets fan [in Great Neck]. He went to games in the Polo Grounds. He has deep pockets. He is a passionate fan. If I were a Met fan, I would expect that means more money [for payroll].” the friend of Cohen said. “This is not a purchase you make at that amount to make money. You don’t make it to strip down payroll. You make it to enjoy the team you have spent your life rooting for. If I am a Mets fan, this is a big day to celebrate.” https://nypost.com/2019/12/04/steve-cohen-is-mets-godsend-that-should-bother-the-yankees/ https://nypost.com/2019/12/04/mets-likely-savior-steve-cohen-is-a-controversial-free-spender-who-f-ing-hates-to-lose/ Wow!! But what are the odds the other owners vote him down just so they can keep the Mets sucking forever? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Cespedes OKs reduced salary (As well he should!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Cespedes OKs reduced salary (As well he should!) According to the NY Post the Mets had stopped paying him and filed a grievance. I don't remember hearing that before today. https://nypost.com/2019/12/13/mets-get-yoenis-cespedes-contract-break-after-injury-investigation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said: According to the NY Post the Mets had stopped paying him and filed a grievance. I don't remember hearing that before today. https://nypost.com/2019/12/13/mets-get-yoenis-cespedes-contract-break-after-injury-investigation/ If I'm honest -- I forgot he was on the team until I saw the ESPN article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: If I'm honest -- I forgot he was on the team until I saw the ESPN article. I hear ya, but I never forgot him. That's a boat anchor contract for a team not willing to bury their mistakes with $$$ - unlike our crosstown rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 25, 2019 Author Share Posted December 25, 2019 Being in the XMas spirit I’ll try to say some nice things here: Was dead against the Beltran hire initially. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and try to believe he wants to rewrite history as a manager. He never got the Mets to the World Series as a player and now I’m assuming he hopes to in his new role. Brodie, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and give him props for getting DeGrom resigned. I’m going to assume as an agent he understood where the market was going for pitchers with the Cole signing with the Yankees. He got it done. Also Strousberg the big contract with the Nationals. DeGrom is arguably the better pitcher of those two. Got a lesser contract and yet everyone’s happy. It’s going to be a tough division next year for sure. Nationals just winning the WS. Phillies have a stronger manager. Atlanta should be solid. It’ll be an interesting year ahead. Happy Holidays and New Years Mets fans 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Happy New Year, Fellas!!!!! Bring on February!!!! 2020 Grapefruit League Reporting Dates Team Pitchers & Catchers First Workout Position Players First Workout Location Astros February 11 February 12 February 16 February 17 W Palm Beach Blue Jays February 13 Dunedin Braves February 12 February 13 February 17 February 18 North Port Cardinals February 11 February 12 February 16 February 17 Jupiter Marlins February 12 February 17 Jupiter Mets February 10 February 12 February 14 February 16 Port St. Lucie Nationals W Palm Beach Orioles February 11 February 12 February 16 February 17 Sarasota Phillies February 11 February 12 February 16 February 17 Clearwater Pirates February 10 Bradenton Rays February 12 February 13 February 16 February 17 Port Charlotte Red Sox February 12 February 17 Fort Myers Tigers Lakeland Twins February 12 February 17 Fort Myers Yankees February 12 February 13 February 17 February 18 Tampa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Can't make this ***** up... ? Yoenis Cespedes’ ankle fracture came during incident with wild boar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: Can't make this ***** up... ? Yoenis Cespedes’ ankle fracture came during incident with wild boar The old saying applies here: truth is stranger than fiction. The whole situation is hard for me to relate to. Biggest trap ever set on my property was one of those over-sized snap traps for a rat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 This thing with Houston stinks to high heaven and makes Beltran's presence even less bearable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 2:27 PM, Golden Goat said: This thing with Houston stinks to high heaven and makes Beltran's presence even less bearable. Yes my Christmas Spirit on him has worn off lol. I came to terms looking past the issues I had with him in the past. But yeah there always seems to be something slightly irritable about him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Rumor: Beltran stepping down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: Rumor: Beltran stepping down The silence from him and the Mets has been deafening. I have no idea what the contract implications are but stepping down sounds like the softest landing he could expect. I wonder what happens to his coaching staff. I read the report. I thought it was odd that he was the only player mentioned but his contribution to the sign stealing was vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: The silence from him and the Mets has been deafening. I have no idea what the contract implications are but stepping down sounds like the softest landing he could expect. I wonder what happens to his coaching staff. I read the report. I thought it was odd that he was the only player mentioned but his contribution to the sign stealing was vague. It's getting bad for the Mets. Daily News just joined the chorus in calling for his termination. I don't see how a win-now team can weather such a distraction. Also, if we win it all -- I don't want a damn asterisk next to it. It'll be fascinating to see all three teams fighting for managerial scraps. IMO, this late in the game, we could do much worse than Terry Collins. Knows the team and has playoff and WS experience with said team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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