Gugny Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Multiple sources saying it's Cano/Diaz for Bruce/Swarzak/Kelenic/Dunn and maybe Gershon. McNeil and Vargas have been mentioned too. For some reason I keep thinking of Seinfeld: Frank: What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?!? He had 30 home runs, and over 100 RBIs last year. He’s got a rocket for an arm. You don’t know what the hell you’re doin’! Steinbrenner: Well, Buhner was a good prospect, no question about it. But my baseball people loved Ken Phelps’ bat. They kept saying “Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps.” I'm trying to stay positive, with Diaz being such a stud. But if McNeil goes, I'll be upset. I'd rather have McNeil play 3B and bring Alonso up to play 1B if Dom Smith is a bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm trying to stay positive, with Diaz being such a stud. But if McNeil goes, I'll be upset. I'd rather have McNeil play 3B and bring Alonso up to play 1B if Dom Smith is a bust. I'm with you. I've been on the fence all along, but I'm leaning towards the negative right now. I really want to keep Kelenic but that looks unlikely. Losing McNeil would feel like Justin Turner all over again. If this goes down it will be a defining moment for Van Wagenen - for better or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: I'm with you. I've been on the fence all along, but I'm leaning towards the negative right now. I really want to keep Kelenic but that looks unlikely. Losing McNeil would feel like Justin Turner all over again. If this goes down it will be a defining moment for Van Wagenen - for better or worse. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) This is sooooo Mets it makes me sick. Like that $60 million will be reinvested. Apparently, first-round draft picks are for sale now. Edited November 30, 2018 by Golden Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: Losing McNeil would feel like Justin Turner all over again. I literally feel sick to my stomach today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Chris Russo is hammering Van Wagenen on High Heat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 F you, Van Wagenen. That is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Mets non-tendered Flores. Starting to feel like there will be significant roster churn. I'm expecting Thor rumors to heat up after the Cano deal gets done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Mets non-tendered Flores. Starting to feel like there will be significant roster churn. I'm expecting Thor rumors to heat up after the Cano deal gets done. I will miss Flores. They tendered d'Arnaud, who isn't anyone's answer to anything at catcher. I think Thor stays now. The Diaz move leads me to believe they're all in on their aces, for better or worse. Edited November 30, 2018 by Golden Goat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 Not the same team or players I know but back in the day the Yankees traded Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill. Kelly was the hot prospect at the time and O'Neill was the old crabby veteran. 95% of Yankees fans hated that at the time. Oh make no mistake about I don't like this Cano deal or whatever else this Van Wagenen fellow may have up his sleeve. Just trying to look at this somehow optimistically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Another Fan said: Not the same team or players I know but back in the day the Yankees traded Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill. Kelly was the hot prospect at the time and O'Neill was the old crabby veteran. 95% of Yankees fans hated that at the time. Oh make no mistake about I don't like this Cano deal or whatever else this Van Wagenen fellow may have up his sleeve. Just trying to look at this somehow optimistically. Nice call on Kelly/O'Neill. Assuming the deal goes through as currently advertised here's my positives: - Cano at $12 mill per year is better than Bruce at $14 the next two years. - Cano at $12 in years 3-5 is less of a boat anchor - Moving Bruce gives us a better chance of retaining Conforto and Nimmo - Diaz was the best closer in the game last year and the bullpen got better by dropping back Gsellman and Lugo That said, I still don't like the deal. Feels like DiPoto suckered VW into it. Edited December 1, 2018 by SinceThe70s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Golden Goat said: I will miss Flores. They tendered d'Arnaud, who isn't anyone's answer to anything at catcher. I think Thor stays now. The Diaz move leads me to believe they're all in on their aces, for better or worse. The writing was on the wall when Wilmer was diagnosed with arthritis in both knees...he loved being a Met.I'll miss him too! 3 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: Mets non-tendered Flores. Starting to feel like there will be significant roster churn. I'm expecting Thor rumors to heat up after the Cano deal gets done. Gomes to the Nationals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 After reading this ... https://www.mlb.com/mets/news/mets-non-tender-wilmer-flores/c-301321288 ... I can see how letting Wilmer go made sense, as well as keeping d'Arnaud. I'd be shocked if Travis is on the roster by April. I've come to terms with Cano, but I really hope McNeil stays in NY. I'm also fine (purely in a baseball business sense) with them trading Syndergaard. I'll be sad - as I am about Wilma - but I've got this bad feeling that Thor won't be Thor for very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 A blockbuster trade that gained momentum throughout the week has been completed, as the Seattle Mariners have agreed to deal All-Star closer Edwin Diaz and veteran second baseman Robinson Cano to the New York Mets, according to multiple reports. In return, the Mariners reportedly will receive veteran right fielder Jay Bruceand several prospects -- right-hander Justin Dunn, a first-rounder in 2016; outfielder Jarred Kelenic, the sixth overall pick in 2018; right-handed reliever Anthony Swarzak and right-hander pitcher Gerson Bautista. The Mariners also are sending $20 million to New York. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25428130/seattle-mariners-agreed-trade-edwin-diaz-robinson-cano-new-york-mets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Gugny said: A blockbuster trade that gained momentum throughout the week has been completed, as the Seattle Mariners have agreed to deal All-Star closer Edwin Diaz and veteran second baseman Robinson Cano to the New York Mets, according to multiple reports. In return, the Mariners reportedly will receive veteran right fielder Jay Bruceand several prospects -- right-hander Justin Dunn, a first-rounder in 2016; outfielder Jarred Kelenic, the sixth overall pick in 2018; right-handed reliever Anthony Swarzak and right-hander pitcher Gerson Bautista. The Mariners also are sending $20 million to New York. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25428130/seattle-mariners-agreed-trade-edwin-diaz-robinson-cano-new-york-mets On Friday there were reports that $60 million was coming the Mets way. $20 mill from the Mariners means we are paying Cano $20 mill per year for the next 5 years. This deal seemed to get worse with each passing day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: On Friday there were reports that $60 million was coming the Mets way. $20 mill from the Mariners means we are paying Cano $20 mill per year for the next 5 years. This deal seemed to get worse with each passing day. You see who Cano's agent was when he signed that horrible deal with Seattle? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 On a positive note very short term this can provide some pop in the lineup and help for the bullpen. Two places that really could have used help last season. Is it fair to hope/assume .270/20/100 for Cano? Also Bruce got moved along with Sworzak who really struggled at times last year. Like you guys though I don’t like the deal. Feels like the farm system and top prospects got destroyed. Also what happens to McNeil now? And really how long can you expect Cano to keep up? Was listening to Evan Roberts yesterday and said Beltre was the only one consistent with production in his late 30s that he remembered. Craig Biggio for example whose a hall of famer declined gradually in his late 30s with one good year when he was 38. I’m assuming he was clean as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Cheers, you guys. My next post in this thread will be after Van Wagenen is gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: Cheers, you guys. My next post in this thread will be after Van Wagenen is gone. I mean your not going over to the Evil Empire are you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Another Fan said: I mean your not going over to the Evil Empire are you? Oh, HELL NO! No amount of waterboarding could ever... It's more like many Jets/Eagles fans did with Rich Kotite. Unfortunately, our imbecile is higher on the food chain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Oh, HELL NO! No amount of waterboarding could ever... It's more like many Jets/Eagles fans did with Rich Kotite. Unfortunately, our imbecile is higher on the food chain. I grew up in NJ and sort of always felt bad for Kotite during those days and the abuse the fans gave him. Of course its easier me not being a Jets fan but can you imagine what those fans would do to Nathan Peterman? And yeah Kotite discovered and gave the franchise Chrebet. Looks like "the imbecile" has no plans of anything home grown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 hours ago, Golden Goat said: Cheers, you guys. My next post in this thread will be after Van Wagenen is gone. Don't do it, man. You gotta watch the games. Keep this thread alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 He’s not really saying anything to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Another Fan said: He’s not really saying anything to me. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, Gugny said: Huh? Jeff above in that clip. Have to see it before I can believe it. I make a lot of speech errors and get names mixed up as well but Angel Pagan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Another Fan said: Jeff above in that clip. Have to see it before I can believe it. I make a lot of speech errors and get names mixed up as well but Angel Pagan! That was my takeaway wrt to the Jeff clip as well. Talk is cheap....which is appropriate for the Wilpons. I like what VW Bug had to say about Noah, especially since the stated goal is to compete/win next year Fun radio stuff. WFAN radio ranges from highly entertaining and/or informative to a complete waste of time. This morning was highly entertaining. Wish I had a link, but they had an audio clip of someone's interview where Bryce Harper was asked who he idolized growing up. His answer was Robinson Cano and they ran with it. Tomorrow starting at 4 PM VW Bug, Mickeys Clubhouse and Jeff Coupon will be on for awhile with Francesa. I don't expect that to go well for The Three Stooges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: That was my takeaway wrt to the Jeff clip as well. Talk is cheap....which is appropriate for the Wilpons. I like what VW Bug had to say about Noah, especially since the stated goal is to compete/win next year Fun radio stuff. WFAN radio ranges from highly entertaining and/or informative to a complete waste of time. This morning was highly entertaining. Wish I had a link, but they had an audio clip of someone's interview where Bryce Harper was asked who he idolized growing up. His answer was Robinson Cano and they ran with it. Tomorrow starting at 4 PM VW Bug, Mickeys Clubhouse and Jeff Coupon will be on for awhile with Francesa. I don't expect that to go well for The Three Stooges. Imagine if Mike is on they pitched their starter three innings mode! Don’t care for Francesa(find him too arrogant) but that day he make me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Another Fan said: Imagine if Mike is on they pitched their starter three innings mode! Don’t care for Francesa(find him too arrogant) but that day he make me laugh No doubt Francesa is highly arrogant. He's an absolute @ss to the majority of his call-ins. Bobby V always held his own with Mike and the Mad Dog but I don't expect tomorrow to go well. Hopefully we get the good Mike tomorrow where he presses them without turning it into a poop show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Looks like VW will keep the next few weeks interesting. “[Realmuto is] an attractive player to the Marlins, first and foremost, and I'm sure he'd be attractive to every other club out there,” Van Wagenen said last month. “That type of player — an impact player offensively and defensively — we will be looking to explore all avenues to acquire those types of players, be it free agency or a trade.” https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/j-t-realmuto-mets-marlins-1.24225435 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SinceThe70s Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: I think I need come to terms with the idea that at least one of these guys will likely be an ex-Met before long: Noah, Conforto, Nimmo, Amed, McNeil. And at the minor league level Alonso could be trade bait as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 So I read Brandon was Santa Claus this year. Um going back to Anna Benson hasn’t that always been something of a curse ? At any rate I really hope Van Wagenen doesn’t trade him this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Another Fan said: So I read Brandon was Santa Claus this year. Um going back to Anna Benson hasn’t that always been something of a curse ? At any rate I really hope Van Wagenen doesn’t trade him this offseason He's fun to watch, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) On 12/4/2018 at 7:17 PM, SinceThe70s said: That was my takeaway wrt to the Jeff clip as well. Talk is cheap....which is appropriate for the Wilpons. I like what VW Bug had to say about Noah, especially since the stated goal is to compete/win next year Fun radio stuff. WFAN radio ranges from highly entertaining and/or informative to a complete waste of time. This morning was highly entertaining. Wish I had a link, but they had an audio clip of someone's interview where Bryce Harper was asked who he idolized growing up. His answer was Robinson Cano and they ran with it. Tomorrow starting at 4 PM VW Bug, Mickeys Clubhouse and Jeff Coupon will be on for awhile with Francesa. I don't expect that to go well for The Three Stooges. I caught the end of it when I got out of work. It at least seemed civilized. I still take everything they say with a grain of salt. VW also told fans to trust the process. It seems though he very much wants to win now and is willing to double down in doing so Edited December 6, 2018 by Another Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 10 hours ago, Another Fan said: I caught the end of it when I got out of work. It at least seemed civilized. I still take everything they say with a grain of salt. VW also told fans to trust the process. It seems though he very much wants to win now and is willing to double down in doing so Yeah, I caught about a half-hour of it and Francesa was very well-behaved. Totally agree with the grain of salt, but they made it sound like they want Alonso to be part of the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 53 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Yeah, I caught about a half-hour of it and Francesa was very well-behaved. Totally agree with the grain of salt, but they made it sound like they want Alonso to be part of the plan. So this is my theory on how VW got the job. I do think the Wilpons are aware of their image among guys like us as being cheap and not caring about winning. I think they are hoping VW changes this perception. Of course time will tell on a lot of things but I’ll give VW a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 If any of you guys want to watch this it's the interview with the big 3: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Another Fan said: If any of you guys want to watch this it's the interview with the big 3: Thanks AF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Another Fan said: If any of you guys want to watch this it's the interview with the big 3: Thanks for posting, gave me a chance to hear the hour plus that I missed. Thoughts on each: VW: I liked his comment that he wouldn't have taken the job if it was a rebuild. He's looking to win now. Polar opposite of Sandy's patient approach, but of course he's benefitting from Sandy's patience. Mickeys Clubhouse: a few times he mentioned making sure players were comfortable where they were playing and batting. Bunch of wishy-washy BS imo. Not a fan of him. Coupon: best comment he made was about needing to change the fans perception of management/ownership's commitment to winning. Said he brought in VW to address that. Great, now open up the purse strings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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