Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Well, that was "fun." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Please don't. You wanna know the most brutal truth in all of this? The Raiders might actually have a shot at the Superbowl the next 1-2 years ...which means... EJ Manuel might win a Super Bowl ring while Kyle Williams never gets to see the playoffs his entire career. Kyle would probably rather not win a ring then win one without contributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 watch him take over for an injured carr in the playoffs and lead them to a sb win epic billsy I'd be happy if he does it in playoffs ala Frank Riech and knocks one of our least favorite teams out of playoffs. Some on this board will be cheering for that team to win because they hate him but I try not to judge those who prefer Tucks and soft balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 He's not a bad backup. He's 0-5 in his last 5 starts including 4 dumpster fire performances that blew very winnable games. He is a bad backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 He's 0-5 in his last 5 starts including 4 dumpster fire performances that blew very winnable games. He is a bad backup. Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for 4 minutes of bad play) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 A classy young man. I wish him the best. I hope when the Bills play the Raiders, EJ is at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for spotting the other team 21 points) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6 and playing like ass all afternoon) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. Goooooooooog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for 4 minutes of bad play) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. 4 bad minutes of play in the Jax game? It was the worst stretch of quarterbacking I have ever seen in my life in which he gift wrapped 3 TD's to what was the worst D in the NFL at the time. I would say that played the biggest role in the Bills losing that game. In the Texans game, EJ was pretty brutal the entire game regardless of his crushing pick 6 to Watt. As far as Fitzpatrick looking like the second coming of Joe Montana that game, I don't know where you pulled that out of. He helped put up 16 offensive points, throwing for 1 TD 2 INTs and 268 yards. Maybe we have differing memories of Joe Montana. Quarterback is the most important position on the field and EJ's poor play heavily contributed to the Bills 0-5 record in his last 5 starts, 4 of which were very winnable games. There is no disputing this. You make yourself look foolish defending and excusing Manuel's horrendous play while at the same time harshly criticizing the current Bills starting QB who has played at a much higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for 4 minutes of bad play) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. it's hard staying out of the EJ argument but sometimes it's needed. I'll go back to one comment that said EJ crumbles under pressure yet the Jags game you mentioned was proof that the posters comments were completely off base. As to the last game of the season who knows why it was such a bad game. Did EJ suck, did the play calling suck or did the team just not care? If EJ sucks for losing the Jags game. What does that say about Taylor and the offenses output against that same bad team? Edited March 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 it's hard staying out of the EJ argument but sometimes it's needed. I'll go back to one comment that said EJ crumbles under pressure yet the Jags game you mentioned was proof that the posters comments were completely off base. As to the last game of the season who knows why it was such a bad game. Did EJ suck, did the play calling suck or did the team just not care? If EJ sucks for losing the Jags game. What does that say about Taylor and the offenses output against that same bad team? TT didn't hand the Jags 21 points with his turnovers. EJ was the reason that they lost the Jacksonville game. A QB has never spotted a team 21 points on his own and not been a big part of the reason for a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 it's hard staying out of the EJ argument but sometimes it's needed. I'll go back to one comment that said EJ crumbles under pressure yet the Jags game you mentioned was proof that the posters comments were completely off base. As to the last game of the season who knows why it was such a bad game. Did EJ suck, did the play calling suck or did the team just not care? If EJ sucks for losing the Jags game. What does that say about Taylor and the offenses output against that same bad team? Your Jags comparison is weak. The Jags had the 6th ranked Defense last year after adding a ton of talent. Tyrod lead the Bills to 28 points, didn't turn the ball over and got the win by 7 points. Two years ago EJ went in against a Jags D that at the time was near the bottom of the league in most categories and gift wrapped 3 TD's to the Jags and lost the game. EJ is 0-5 in his last 5 starts and was awful in 4 of those blowing very winnable games. He has rightfully taken his place as a 3rd string camp arm and I wish him the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) TT didn't hand the Jags 21 points with his turnovers. EJ was the reason that they lost the Jacksonville game. A QB has never spotted a team 21 points on his own and not been a big part of the reason for a loss.Exactly. EJ spotted them 21 points and the team regained the lead. The 2016 Bills should have won easily don't you think? I took all 4 QTRs and the defense to keep the Jags for taking the lead again with 10 min left as the following Bills drive went 3 and out Edited March 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Exactly. EJ spotted them 21 points and the team regained the lead. The 2016 Bills should have won easily yet it too all 4 QTRs don't you think? Are you arguing the team outside of EJ played better then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I'm saying the team w/o EJ should have won easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Great guy, wish him luck, real team player, but just not starting QB material. I maintained from the second they picked him he would never be worth that draft spot, so Billsy. Edited March 19, 2017 by T-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I'm saying the team w/o EJ should have won easily They played a different team. The 2016 Jags were 6th in yards allowed. The 2015 Jags were 24th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Your Jags comparison is weak. The Jags had the 6th ranked Defense last year after adding a ton of talent. Tyrod lead the Bills to 28 points, didn't turn the ball over and got the win by 7 points. Two years ago EJ went in against a Jags D that at the time was near the bottom of the league in most categories and gift wrapped 3 TD's to the Jags and lost the game. EJ is 0-5 in his last 5 starts and was awful in 4 of those blowing very winnable games. He has rightfully taken his place as a 3rd string camp arm and I wish him the best. Is it now? Are we talking about the same 3 win Jaguars? They played a different team. The 2016 Jags were 6th in yards allowed. The 2015 Jags were 24th.See above. A three win team. As embarrassing as the JETS loss week 2The 2016 Jets were not the same 2015 team I expect more from the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Is it now? Are we talking about the same 3 win Jaguars? See above. A three win team. As embarrassing as the JETS loss week 2 The 2016 Jets were not the same 2015 team I expect more from the team. EJ got embarassed by those same Jets in 2016 when the game was meaningless. TT kept it competitive week 2. Are you arguing TT"s win wasn't a good win, but EJ's loss was a good loss? Edited March 19, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Is it now? Are we talking about the same 3 win Jaguars? See above. A three win team. As embarrassing as the JETS loss week 2 The 2016 Jets were not the same 2015 team I expect more from the team. Again there is no comparison. EJ lost his start, Tyrod won his. EJ badly turned the ball over three times leading to 3 Jacksonville TD's. Tyrod did not turn the ball over. 2015 Jacksonville D was bad...2016 Jacksonville D was good. You are grasping at straws and looking foolish. Edited March 19, 2017 by b2henning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Exactly. EJ spotted them 21 points and the team regained the lead. The 2016 Bills should have won easily don't you think? I took all 4 QTRs and the defense to keep the Jags for taking the lead again with 10 min left as the following Bills drive went 3 and out Not really sure what your point is? The loss in 2015 rests on EJ's shoulders. The Bills won in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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