Tiberius Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Hillary's inauguration crowd: I'm pretty sure that's Trump's 2020 inaugural! HA HA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Hillary's inauguration crowd: LOL! Same as her re-election crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Koko78 said: Aww, how cute. Gator and Gary-the-potential-sex-abuser are trying very hard to derail the thread. Why would you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Why would you say that? It's common knowledge here at PPP that Gary is a potential sex abuser. Out of fairness and doing what's right, we are giving him the same treatment he has dished out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Why would you say that? One time I said if Kavanaugh is found to be a sexual predator he should not be on the supreme court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: It's common knowledge here at PPP that Gary is a potential sex abuser. Out of fairness and doing what's right, we are giving him the same treatment he has dished out. I thought the abuser was another guy here. Hard to keep track. Edited September 17, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: I thought the abuser was the other guy here. Hard to keep track at PPP. It's the other guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, donbb said: It's the other guy. That's like they all say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kemp said: A coup led by who? (Been in a room all day without a computer, sorry for the delay) The establishment party - which crosses the aisle between both parties (uniparty) was, and is, leading the coup. This has never been about republican versus democrat, or even Trump versus Clinton. It was always the establishment versus the people. Whether you agree with him or not, the people chose Trump to lead - and the establishment has loudly responded by trying to undo that choice - rule of law or the constitution be damned. Trump was an outsider, a threat to the status quo and the uni-party. His views on both domestic and foreign policy flew in the face of both sides of the aisle long standing traditions and norms (he ran on being opposed to nation building - even Clinton was running on the continuation of that policy as an example). Thus, his victory was a threat to that establishment and they efforted to thwart it from happening, the will of the people be damned. They activated a highly illegal political spying operation (which pre-dated Trump's election and was used by multiple administrations, not just the last) in the hopes of stopping his victory, and relied on a leak strategy through the controlled media to poison the minds of the public and create the illusion of guilt in the absence of evidence and facts. They were confident they would succeed. So confident they cut corners, rushed the intelligence product, and gamed the system - all the while leaving a trail that even an amateur sleuth could follow. Which is why this is now blowing up in the conspirators' faces (soon to be even more so with the declass of the FISA announced today). Then, when the unthinkable happened and Trump won (fair and square), the threat to the establishment was about to be in the White House. About to be in control of the DOJ and able to prosecute/investigate the crimes that were committed against his campaign (and yes, there were serious crimes committed against his campaign). That's why, before he ever took office, an attempt was made through the media and the DOJ/FBI/CIA/DNI/44's administration to undercut the incoming administration and drown it in a phony Russian Collusion scandal. The intent was veto the election and oust him in scandal - or, if that fell short (which it did), to cripple his ability to execute and implement the policies he ran on by tarring him with fabricated charges of being Putin's puppet (which has largely worked in the public's eyes). See, I'm not a republican. I'm not a democrat. I'm a Hollywood writing liberal in the most traditional sense. Which is why when I discovered that this entire investigation was predicated on largely unelected officials abusing the powers of the most intrusive and powerful surveillance state ever known to man to overturn a legal election and thwart the will of the people, I was mortified. I continue to be. This isn't about Trump. It's about whether or not we the people actually have a say in the process. The attacks have come from the establishment on both sides of the aisle, in both media spheres, because the establishment believes they have the right to overturn the will of the people in a democratic republic. That's criminal. It's a violation of everything this country is supposed to stand for. And if you sit by and root for it to happen just because you find Trump distasteful (and plenty do) - then you're saying it's okay that we don't have a say. You're saying it's okay for career officials inside the intelligence agencies and media conglomerates to overturn any election results they don't agree with. That means our entire foundation of government is nothing but a mirage. Freedom is hard. We sacrificed keystone civil liberties in the wake of 9/11 for security because we were told it was necessary. Now, we are being given a choice (though it's not being advertised as such): either we the people have the right to elect who we want, even if it's a mistake in the eyes of tradition... or we don't. And if we don't, then we no longer can call the United States of America the "land of the free". You'll probably scoff this off - but when it comes down to it, there's mountains more evidence to prove what I'm saying happened than anything Russian/Collusion/Conspiracy related. Mountains and mountains more.... Edited September 18, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 12:11 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: Clinton was never convicted of anything. He wasn't removed from office. This is also markedly different than anything President Clinton endued. President Trump's term began with accusations that his Presidency was illegitimate. Let that sink in. Rather than accept the results of free and fair elections, the Democratic Party has normalized rejecting election results in favor of criminal investigations initiated without evidence of a crime, but rather for politically motivated reasons. You don't think that's a dangerous precedent? You don't think this is how all of our elections will proceed going forward? Wow! You didn't know Clinton was impeached! I just checked. Trump has not been removed from office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 1:21 PM, 4merper4mer said: You are incorrect or uninformed about your first and third points. There is plenty of material on this boards that refutes both. Your second point had what to do with Trump? Who attempted to hack into what voting machines specifically? I get it. If it doesn't fit your narrative, it's fake news. Trump says that the Russians didn't do anything in an attempt to help him. All of the government agencies and Congress say otherwise. It is not a point of dispute that the voting machines were attacked. Who do you think was behind it.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kemp said: Wow! You didn't know Clinton was impeached! I just checked. Trump has not been removed from office. He never claimed Clinton wasn't impeached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Yikes, reading some of these posts is almost as enjoyable as watching the Ravens game for the third time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Kemp said: Wow! You didn't know Clinton was impeached! I just checked. Trump has not been removed from office. Impeachment isn't conviction. The House impeaches, after which the Senate votes to convict or acquit...and Clinton was acquitted by the Senate, not convicted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Kemp said: I get it. If it doesn't fit your narrative, it's fake news. Trump says that the Russians didn't do anything in an attempt to help him. All of the government agencies and Congress say otherwise. It is not a point of dispute that the voting machines were attacked. Who do you think was behind it.? Dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Kemp said: Wow! You didn't know Clinton was impeached! I just checked. Trump has not been removed from office. That's not how the impeachment process works. It's a bi-cameral process with each legislative body having a distinct role, each tasked with that role as part of the Constitutional process of checks and balances, the House intended to be the direct will of the People more subject to populist whims, the Senate the steadying hand representing the interests of the individual state governments. The House essentially votes for the impeachment process to proceed to the Senate: it's really no more than a referral for prosecution. The Senate, whom represents the interests of the various governments which make up the United States, then examines the referral, and decides to convict, or not. President Clinton was impeached (referred to the Senate for conviction) which they declined to do. Bill Clinton was never convicted of anything. Edited September 19, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: That's not how the impeachment process works. It's a bi-cameral process with each legislative body having a distinctive role, each tasked with that role as part of the Constitutional process of checks and balances, the House intended to be the direct will of the People more subject to populist whims, the Senate the steadying hand representing the interests of the individual state governments. The House essentially votes for the impeachment process to proceed to the Senate: it's really no more than a referral for prosecution. The Senate, whom represents the interests of the various governments which make up the United States, then examines the referral, and decides to convict, or not. President Clinton was impeached (referred to the Senate for conviction) which they declined to do. Bill Clinton was never convicted of anything. Thanks and it all makes sense except the bi-cameral thing. First, I don't think the Lewinsky stuff was filmed. And there haven't even been rumors about another guy being involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Here is a fantastic article that cuts through all the conspiracy crap and goes over the actual timeline of the Russia investigation. It's a long read, but worth your while. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-dossier-stuck-york-trigger-russia-investigation-sources/story?id=57919471 Trump 'dossier' stuck in New York, didn't trigger Russia investigation, sources say President Donald Trump and his allies have long insisted that what he calls the “fake dirty dossier” was wholly “responsible for starting the totally and discredited witch hunt” by special counsel Robert Mueller. But, beginning in July 2016, that so-called “dossier” actually sat for several weeks inside an organized crime unit at the FBI’s New York field office, even as counterintelligence agents in Washington, D.C. – unaware of the new allegations – were already investigating Russian efforts to hijack American democracy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, donbb said: Here is a fantastic article that cuts through all the conspiracy crap and goes over the actual timeline of the Russia investigation. It's a long read, but worth your while. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-dossier-stuck-york-trigger-russia-investigation-sources/story?id=57919471 Trump 'dossier' stuck in New York, didn't trigger Russia investigation, sources say President Donald Trump and his allies have long insisted that what he calls the “fake dirty dossier” was wholly “responsible for starting the totally and discredited witch hunt” by special counsel Robert Mueller. But, beginning in July 2016, that so-called “dossier” actually sat for several weeks inside an organized crime unit at the FBI’s New York field office, even as counterintelligence agents in Washington, D.C. – unaware of the new allegations – were already investigating Russian efforts to hijack American democracy. I like how the "Trump investigation" has now become the "Russia investigation" and somehow divested itself of any idea of Trump's involvement... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted September 19, 2018 Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: I like how the "Trump investigation" has now become the "Russia investigation" and somehow divested itself of any idea of Trump's involvement... It was never the "Trump Investigation." From Republican and Trump appointee Rod Rosenstein's mandate to Mueller on what he is allowed to investigate... "(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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