BuffalothruMyVeins Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 As I previously posted Ricky Wagner , RT previously of Baltimore would be my preference.. Re: The Bills addiction to Dumpster Diving. Didn't the Bills arguably just "dumpster dive" two pro bowlers in 2015, and those two just returned to the pro bowl again in 2016, plus two more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Didn't the Bills arguably just "dumpster dive" two pro bowlers in 2015, and those two just returned to the pro bowl again in 2016, plus two more? If you want to look at 20015, lets look at it: Ritchie was released by his team for off field issues. It was not for lack of talent or performance, but well documented off field issues. He was the only dumpster dive that worked out that year. We definitely took a gamble and lucked out with Ritchie, but everyone knew he could play, he was just being black balled by the league because of off field issues. But his issues were never about his level of play. He was a gamble only because of those off field issues. I would not call Taylor a dumpster dive. He was a promising QB who was stuck behind a top solid Franchise QB with virtually no chance to be a starting QB there. His team understood his desire to start and let him go at the end of his contract. Felton chose to not exercise his option year, and went looking for hopefully greener pastures, like Taylor, he was no dumpster dive. Wynn was a dumpster dive, and was released by the Bills and never played again in the NFL. Simms was released the day after his first and only preseason start for the Bills in which he played one ugly error filled game. Connor was signed and released before the season even started. After being signed and released by the Bills, Carrington was signed and released by Houston before the preseason and has not played since. We all know how well Harvin has worked out for the team. He had talent, but was a gamble for attitude, injury concerns and questions about his character. He was a similar gamble to Ritchie, we just lost that gamble. Dumpster diving sometimes works out, if you do it enough you occasionally may win. But you waste a lot of resources and time and energy dealing with the much more prevalent losses. The problem is when like with the Bills, it becomes a major part of your developmental strategy. A strategy like that could get you a league leading 17 year record of missing the playoffs, frustration and futility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 If I was eyeing RTs in UFA the name at the top of my list is Ricky Wagner from Baltimore. As he's played for our new Online coach and been spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 He's an upgrade for sure. Just dunno if he's worth the money. Our cap is tight. Really tight. Sign him and we'd probably have to let Gilmore AND zach brown go. Sure we can afford 2 of them, but our depth will suck. We have sooo many free agents. Their roster spots are going to go to udfa if we spend high on too many players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 If you want to look at 20015, lets look at it: Ritchie was released by his team for off field issues. It was not for lack of talent or performance, but well documented off field issues. He was the only dumpster dive that worked out that year. We definitely took a gamble and lucked out with Ritchie, but everyone knew he could play, he was just being black balled by the league because of off field issues. But his issues were never about his level of play. He was a gamble only because of those off field issues. I would not call Taylor a dumpster dive. He was a promising QB who was stuck behind a top solid Franchise QB with virtually no chance to be a starting QB there. His team understood his desire to start and let him go at the end of his contract. Felton chose to not exercise his option year, and went looking for hopefully greener pastures, like Taylor, he was no dumpster dive. Wynn was a dumpster dive, and was released by the Bills and never played again in the NFL. Simms was released the day after his first and only preseason start for the Bills in which he played one ugly error filled game. Connor was signed and released before the season even started. After being signed and released by the Bills, Carrington was signed and released by Houston before the preseason and has not played since. We all know how well Harvin has worked out for the team. He had talent, but was a gamble for attitude, injury concerns and questions about his character. He was a similar gamble to Ritchie, we just lost that gamble. Dumpster diving sometimes works out, if you do it enough you occasionally may win. But you waste a lot of resources and time and energy dealing with the much more prevalent losses. The problem is when like with the Bills, it becomes a major part of your developmental strategy. A strategy like that could get you a league leading 17 year record of missing the playoffs, frustration and futility. I think this plays into what Whaleys focus should be. he is young still. But glory should not be the mantra. steady perhaps? If I was eyeing RTs in UFA the name at the top of my list is Ricky Wagner from Baltimore. As he's played for our new Online coach and been spectacular. a sure improvement over Mills. what is the difficulty here? I almost expect him to be wearing Buffalo logo. too many folks have mentioned him. But please upgrade Mills. please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Let's find a left handed QB and move Glenn to RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Let's find a left handed QB and move Glenn to RT if only ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I think this plays into what Whaleys focus should be. he is young still. But glory should not be the mantra. steady perhaps? a sure improvement over Mills. what is the difficulty here? I almost expect him to be wearing Buffalo logo. too many folks have mentioned him. But please upgrade Mills. please Wouldn't it be nice if we had an extra draft pick in the top 3 rounds to draft a RT or an extra TE? Stop wasting picks Whaley!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Wouldn't it be nice if we had an extra draft pick in the top 3 rounds to draft a RT or an extra TE? Stop wasting picks Whaley!!!! by his sound bites i might guess he has learned something since over enthusiastically draft Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Having a guy like Reiff working to the right of him would only accelerate Miller's development, and solidify the right side in general. This signing would certainly have my endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 This also work with moving the new Veteran Glenn over does it not ? I have spoken of this for years. putting a vet next to the young guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If you want to look at 20015, lets look at it: Ritchie was released by his team for off field issues. It was not for lack of talent or performance, but well documented off field issues. He was the only dumpster dive that worked out that year. We definitely took a gamble and lucked out with Ritchie, but everyone knew he could play, he was just being black balled by the league because of off field issues. But his issues were never about his level of play. He was a gamble only because of those off field issues. I would not call Taylor a dumpster dive. He was a promising QB who was stuck behind a top solid Franchise QB with virtually no chance to be a starting QB there. His team understood his desire to start and let him go at the end of his contract. Felton chose to not exercise his option year, and went looking for hopefully greener pastures, like Taylor, he was no dumpster dive. Wynn was a dumpster dive, and was released by the Bills and never played again in the NFL. Simms was released the day after his first and only preseason start for the Bills in which he played one ugly error filled game. Connor was signed and released before the season even started. After being signed and released by the Bills, Carrington was signed and released by Houston before the preseason and has not played since. We all know how well Harvin has worked out for the team. He had talent, but was a gamble for attitude, injury concerns and questions about his character. He was a similar gamble to Ritchie, we just lost that gamble. Dumpster diving sometimes works out, if you do it enough you occasionally may win. But you waste a lot of resources and time and energy dealing with the much more prevalent losses. The problem is when like with the Bills, it becomes a major part of your developmental strategy. A strategy like that could get you a league leading 17 year record of missing the playoffs, frustration and futility. how often do dumpster dive players end up going to the pro bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 As I previously posted Ricky Wagner , RT previously of Baltimore would be my preference.. Re: The Bills addiction to Dumpster Diving. We've actually done pretty well dumpster diving. Two of our dumpster dive players just went to the ProBowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 how often do dumpster dive players end up going to the pro bowl? For the people here who like to throw out cliched smart ass one liners and don't bother to read a post before they comment. I said: Dumpster diving sometimes works out, if you do it enough you occasionally may win. But you waste a lot of resources and time and energy dealing with the much more prevalent losses. The problem is when like with the Bills, it becomes a major part of your developmental strategy. A strategy like that could get you a league leading 17 year record of missing the playoffs, frustration and futility. For those that prefer cliched smart-ass on-line comments to informational, documented, thought out discussions : "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 "At 6-foot-6, 305-pounds, Reiff possesses the ideal size and athleticism of a starting tackle in the NFL. With a short shuttle time of 4.75 seconds, Reiff owns the lateral quickness that is demanded to shut down the NFL’s premier pass rushers. Plus, Reiff has five seasons of experience under his belt at both left and right tackle. Reiff’s versatility will be demanded on the free agent market, but if the Bills come calling for the former Hawkeye, then Reiff may be destined for the right side." http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/27/bills-2017-nfl-free-agent-targets-ot-riley-reiff/ They need someone there, that's for sure. Very little money available, though, How expensive will Reiff be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If you want to look at 20015, lets look at it: Ritchie was released by his team for off field issues. It was not for lack of talent or performance, but well documented off field issues. He was the only dumpster dive that worked out that year. We definitely took a gamble and lucked out with Ritchie, but everyone knew he could play, he was just being black balled by the league because of off field issues. But his issues were never about his level of play. He was a gamble only because of those off field issues. I would not call Taylor a dumpster dive. He was a promising QB who was stuck behind a top solid Franchise QB with virtually no chance to be a starting QB there. His team understood his desire to start and let him go at the end of his contract. Felton chose to not exercise his option year, and went looking for hopefully greener pastures, like Taylor, he was no dumpster dive. Wynn was a dumpster dive, and was released by the Bills and never played again in the NFL. Simms was released the day after his first and only preseason start for the Bills in which he played one ugly error filled game. Connor was signed and released before the season even started. After being signed and released by the Bills, Carrington was signed and released by Houston before the preseason and has not played since. We all know how well Harvin has worked out for the team. He had talent, but was a gamble for attitude, injury concerns and questions about his character. He was a similar gamble to Ritchie, we just lost that gamble. Dumpster diving sometimes works out, if you do it enough you occasionally may win. But you waste a lot of resources and time and energy dealing with the much more prevalent losses. The problem is when like with the Bills, it becomes a major part of your developmental strategy. A strategy like that could get you a league leading 17 year record of missing the playoffs, frustration and futility. You say you don't think Taylor was dumpster diving. So what is dumpster diving? Picking up players that Simpleman does not like much? The Pats absolutely live on picking up low and medium-priced FAs to fill gaps. They do it with tremendous consistency. And some fail, but many don't. The fact that two are ex-Bills in Hogan and Branch is a coincidence that always sticks in my craw. Dumpster diving is to signing FAs what dork is to computer scientist or what grind is to a good student. It's not a good description. It's what you call FA when you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 You say you don't think Taylor was dumpster diving. So what is dumpster diving? Picking up players that Simpleman does not like much? The Pats absolutely live on picking up low and medium-priced FAs to fill gaps. They do it with tremendous consistency. And some fail, but many don't. The fact that two are ex-Bills in Hogan and Branch is a coincidence that always sticks in my craw. Dumpster diving is to signing FAs what dork is to computer scientist or what grind is to a good student. It's not a good description. It's what you call FA when you don't like it. Bills went through a lot of players this past season on the back end of the roster and PS. I was glad to see them bring so many in actually. Reiff is out of the budget i might guess. But RT upgrade had best be addressed with some confidence,. Not a poke and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts