jeffismagic Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Ragland to me doesnt look big at all. Look at pics of him. Theres not much there to slim down. He's too slow to play the mike in either McDermott's 4-3 or Frazier's Tampa 2. Minnesota played Henderson at the mike when Frazier was the head coach and it was a disaster Vikings finished last in the NFL on defense in points allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 when we find someone to cover Gronk and Bennett, then I will not worry. Until then, TE's continually shred this D, move the sticks and put points on the board. We do not have the LB's or a cover S to neutralize a good 2 TE set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 He's too slow to play the mike in either McDermott's 4-3 or Frazier's Tampa 2. Minnesota played Henderson at the mike when Frazier was the head coach and it was a disaster Vikings finished last in the NFL on defense in points allowed. Im not arguing about his speed or lack thereof, im simply stating that Ragland is not a huge guy. Hes on the taller side for a LB. but hes not a physical specimen with his size. Compare Ragland to Brandon Spikes for example. Just look at their pics. Spikes was a player that had room to slim down, Ragland doesnt carry excess weight looks like. So asking Ragland to slim down doesnt seem viable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Im not arguing about his speed or lack thereof, im simply stating that Ragland is not a huge guy. Hes on the taller side for a LB. but hes not a physical specimen with his size. Compare Ragland to Brandon Spikes for example. Just look at their pics. Spikes was a player that had room to slim down, Ragland doesnt carry excess weight looks like. The thing is I love Ragland as a player. He will be a fan favorite as he has high IQ and just decks people. I just hate how many resources we poured into the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The thing is I love Ragland as a player. He will be a fan favorite as he has high IQ and just decks people. I just hate how many resources we poured into the position. I think Ragland will be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 BADOL calls him Ragnuts...for what it's worth. I don't know if the guy will be good or not. That means he is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 last time we had to trade a linebacker that didn't they traded Sheppard for hughes. Just saying Let's see how things play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The thing is I love Ragland as a player. He will be a fan favorite as he has high IQ and just decks people. I just hate how many resources we poured into the position. That's more than necessary to play LB. We will be more than fine with Preston Brown, Ragland and (hopefully) Zach Brown. Actually, we should be more worried with the depth behind Hughes and Lawson. This D will need defensive ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 last time we had to trade a linebacker that didn't they traded Sheppard for hughes. Just saying Let's see how things play out. And Kiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Reuben Foster would be an instant impact LB. Possibly a star defensive player. I'd take him at 10 if he's there. Can play mike or will in 4-3, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 God its gonna suck for some on this board when Ragland comes in and is actually good. You cannot coach instincts.....Ragland will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 God its gonna suck for some on this board when Ragland comes in and is actually good. You cannot coach instincts.....Ragland will be fine Agreed. He is smarter and more athletic than I think most give him credit for. Should be good 4-3 mike. Preston Brown on the other hand...depth at SLB I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Wouldn't surprise me if we drafted one in the 1st or 2nd. I could see the Alabama LB (whose name escapes me and I'm too lazy to look up) falling to us at 10. Rueben Foster. And I'm all in on that selection for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Rueben Foster. And I'm all in on that selection for the Bills. I want a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I want a QB. Yeah, there is that. But I don't want a QB at 10 if they don't think the QB will be an impact pro. They could take a QB with their 2nd round or the 3rd round pick, doesn't have to be a first. Also, a lot depends on what they do with Tyrod; keep him, let him walk or if they trade for a guy before the draft, etc. But Foster in McD's defense is Kuechly-esque if he fulfills his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Yeah, there is that. But I don't want a QB at 10 if they don't think the QB will be an impact pro. They could take a QB with their 2nd round or the 3rd round pick, doesn't have to be a first. Also, a lot depends on what they do with Tyrod; keep him, let him walk or if they trade for a guy before the draft, etc. But Foster in McD's defense is Kuechly-esque if he fulfills his potential. Agreed. No need to waste a top ten pick on a player that doesn't have top ten value. This draft is loaded. I would prefer to drop back multiple times and grab Mahomes, some safeties and WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 wouldnt alexander play strong side if resigned? And ragland or p brown dont fit the middle? Brown played there as a rookie and had his best year Ragland or PBrown should work at MLB. and i could see one of them getting some reps outside against the run or heavier sets. Z brown really needs to be retained along with Alexander. I am not down with drafting for a starting LB. Alexander Sam Ragland Mike Zack Wil Preston can be depth player and draft a guy but not in 1st rd this. Keep in mind Hughes is pretty mobile when dropping or playing a short zone pass defense. I think we are stacked. IF we retain ZB and LA !! All of those guys have brothers? Interesting but not sure how useful. You absolutely win the internets today My Friend! The thing is I love Ragland as a player. He will be a fan favorite as he has high IQ and just decks people. I just hate how many resources we poured into the position. How do you mean " how many resources" ? I think Ragland was a very good pick. for the reasons you mentioned Yeah, there is that. But I don't want a QB at 10 if they don't think the QB will be an impact pro. They could take a QB with their 2nd round or the 3rd round pick, doesn't have to be a first. Also, a lot depends on what they do with Tyrod; keep him, let him walk or if they trade for a guy before the draft, etc. But Foster in McD's defense is Kuechly-esque if he fulfills his potential. Kuechlyesque are some mighty big shoes to fill. would be looking at safeties in the first fou r rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Ragland or PBrown should work at MLB. and i could see one of them getting some reps outside against the run or heavier sets. Z brown really needs to be retained along with Alexander. I am not down with drafting for a starting LB. this. Keep in mind Hughes is pretty mobile when dropping or playing a short zone pass defense. I think we are stacked. IF we retain ZB and LA !! You absolutely win the internets today My Friend! How do you mean " how many resources" ? I think Ragland was a very good pick. for the reasons you mentioned The Bills traded 2 picks to move up for Ragland as well as spent the pick on him. So three draft picks for a linebacker with limited range. I really think this was about saving Rex's D as he needed a high IQ player at every level and Ragland would be like another coach on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The Bills traded 2 picks to move up for Ragland as well as spent the pick on him. So three draft picks for a linebacker with limited range. I really think this was about saving Rex's D as he needed a high IQ player at every level and Ragland would be like another coach on the field. they definitely had a laser on Reggie, i think they wizzed themselves when he dropped into the second round. and they were not going to let him go any further. But i get your point. But it was no Sammy Watkins rogue-esque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Agreed. No need to waste a top ten pick on a player that doesn't have top ten value. This draft is loaded. I would prefer to drop back multiple times and grab Mahomes, some safeties and WR's. I like Watson. Tired of hearing he is Taylor 2.0. Mahomes is my second favorite, however, so I would be happy with your plan. Edited January 14, 2017 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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