3rdand12 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I am almost certain I heard on this forum that poor wittle Pweston Bwown was emasculated in public, unnecessarily, by Rex Ryan, and this would have a disastrous impact on an impressionable young player. Sounds like it was exactly the message Preston needed to hear. some really to that to heart didn't they? Still need an ILB that can handle coverage while Preston does the play calling and run thumping. 111 percent agreed. He does get sideline quick enough and can play short coverage if need be. But this is where we go in the draft i hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Really good to hear from Preston. I think he is a proud kid and will back up those words. Let's face it, this defense was really hurt by the loss of Aaron Williams and Kyle Williams. Not only are they excellent players, but they were THE two leaders on the defense. When they went down, by default (due to age, money, ability) Mario and Dareus were the defacto leaders. And neither of them are fire you up, vocal leaders. And once they decided the coaches were wrong, and no one else felt they could speak up to them, the defense was doomed. This doesn't forgive Rex for other things, trying to mix systems, assuming the players would just buy in, communication issues (both with players and with getting calls in on time), etc. but, the leadership issue really hurt the team badly. Dareus eventually came around and by the end of the season, Manny and Corey took over the leadership role as best they could. But if Kyle had been around all year, he wouldn't have accepted Mario loafing and he would have kept Dareus in line. If Aaron was around, the backfield communication would have been much better. I don't think you can underestimate how losing those two specific players hurt the D. If Aaron and Kyle are back and then Preston steps up, we'd have a leader at each level of the defense, and the cancer is gone, and everyone now has a year in the system, and Rex and the coaches know the players better, and you add Blake, Rob, and Ed to the coaching staff, (I think these are all good additions no matter what others may say), I really think this defense will rebound next season. Yes, last year was disappointing and frustrating, but let's give Rex some support. I really think he'll turn it around this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Really good to hear from Preston. I think he is a proud kid and will back up those words. Let's face it, this defense was really hurt by the loss of Aaron Williams and Kyle Williams. Not only are they excellent players, but they were THE two leaders on the defense. When they went down, by default (due to age, money, ability) Mario and Dareus were the defacto leaders. And neither of them are fire you up, vocal leaders. And once they decided the coaches were wrong, and no one else felt they could speak up to them, the defense was doomed. This doesn't forgive Rex for other things, trying to mix systems, assuming the players would just buy in, communication issues (both with players and with getting calls in on time), etc. but, the leadership issue really hurt the team badly. Dareus eventually came around and by the end of the season, Manny and Corey took over the leadership role as best they could. But if Kyle had been around all year, he wouldn't have accepted Mario loafing and he would have kept Dareus in line. If Aaron was around, the backfield communication would have been much better. I don't think you can underestimate how losing those two specific players hurt the D. If Aaron and Kyle are back and then Preston steps up, we'd have a leader at each level of the defense, and the cancer is gone, and everyone now has a year in the system, and Rex and the coaches know the players better, and you add Blake, Rob, and Ed to the coaching staff, (I think these are all good additions no matter what others may say), I really think this defense will rebound next season. Yes, last year was disappointing and frustrating, but let's give Rex some support. I really think he'll turn it around this year. You I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 That seems to be the obvious choice. A slight implication, though, that there were others. Who are the "older" guys? Mario KW Graham Leodis Manny Am I missing any? The dude is a second year player and was 22 --- they are all older guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yeah. Exactly. Nothing like the heroes who spend their time on a message board in March, the height of whose intelligence and rhetorical clout relies on "not until I see for myself." IT'S MARCH. Some BS knows no season....Big Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 The dude is a second year player and was 22 --- they are all older guys. Totally fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Still need an ILB that can handle coverage while Preston does the play calling and run thumping. Draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Some BS knows no season....Big Cat. Well, if that's how you justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Well, if that's how you justify it. It's a constant struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 You I like. Me to....and would not be surpised if this was exactly how it went down. It also explains why.....even though the meatball might not be a ideal scheme fit.....he is STILL a bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Me to....and would not be surpised if this was exactly how it went down. It also explains why.....even though the meatball might not be a ideal scheme fit.....he is STILL a bill. It's like some of us have been saying this since October, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Really good to hear from Preston. I think he is a proud kid and will back up those words. Let's face it, this defense was really hurt by the loss of Aaron Williams and Kyle Williams. Not only are they excellent players, but they were THE two leaders on the defense. When they went down, by default (due to age, money, ability) Mario and Dareus were the defacto leaders. And neither of them are fire you up, vocal leaders. And once they decided the coaches were wrong, and no one else felt they could speak up to them, the defense was doomed. This doesn't forgive Rex for other things, trying to mix systems, assuming the players would just buy in, communication issues (both with players and with getting calls in on time), etc. but, the leadership issue really hurt the team badly. Dareus eventually came around and by the end of the season, Manny and Corey took over the leadership role as best they could. But if Kyle had been around all year, he wouldn't have accepted Mario loafing and he would have kept Dareus in line. If Aaron was around, the backfield communication would have been much better. I don't think you can underestimate how losing those two specific players hurt the D. If Aaron and Kyle are back and then Preston steps up, we'd have a leader at each level of the defense, and the cancer is gone, and everyone now has a year in the system, and Rex and the coaches know the players better, and you add Blake, Rob, and Ed to the coaching staff, (I think these are all good additions no matter what others may say), I really think this defense will rebound next season. Yes, last year was disappointing and frustrating, but let's give Rex some support. I really think he'll turn it around this year. Very eloquent and reasonable post ! Me to....and would not be surpised if this was exactly how it went down. It also explains why.....even though the meatball might not be a ideal scheme fit.....he is STILL a bill. It is how i have viewed it in general. In hindsight of course. And Kyle? Yes, a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Talent was never an issue. See 2014 defense. The issue was forcing a change on defense that wasn't necessary and didn't fit to the talent available. It was forced But I am not sure that it does not fit talent available......only that more thought should have been given to the transition after we lost 2 leaders on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Talent was never an issue. See 2014 defense. The issue was forcing a change on defense that wasn't necessary and didn't fit to the talent available. Yes or no: injuries and Mario quitting had an impact on the talent in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yes, but my point has been all along the defense was struggling before the injuries took their toll. The strength of the defense(the front four) was a non factor under the new defensive system. This also could have been a situation where It took some time to gel then Injuries hit slowing it down I am left with that lasting memory of our team obliterating the jets with the jets having everything to play for our team having nothing to play for....hell it actually hurt our draft selection and our D....injuries and all.....looking pretty darn good. Its one game.....but perhaps something to take into next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) It was Mario and the dim bulb Leodis. It is a classic situation where someone says (Preston) that it was a bunch of guys when they really mean it was one or two. Good riddance! Edited March 24, 2016 by BuffaloMatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I guess it could be anyone other than Darby. To us the older guys are 30+, to him they are probably anyone in the league prior to 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 That seems to be the obvious choice. A slight implication, though, that there were others. Who are the "older" guys? Mario KW Graham Leodis Manny Am I missing any? graham, mario, kyle williams and leodis would be my bets. along with bradham. one of those names is not like the others. There is only one answer from simple observation. i would be sure, and bet a lot of money, that it wasn't just 1 player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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