Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 Just now, Warcodered said: WTF does Columbus have to do with Communism? Nothing. He has nothing to do with systemic racism either. But this isn't about systemic racism. Or race. It's about Marxists using that as cover to shred the country from within. 5 1
bilzfancy Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: Nothing. He has nothing to do with systemic racism either. But this isn't about systemic racism. Or race. It's about Marxists using that as cover to shred the country from within. Why people can't see this blows my freaking mind. I'm sure there are some fair minded democrats on here that can see it too. 6 1
keepthefaith Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 16 hours ago, Reality Check said: Still funny. 1
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Nothing. He has nothing to do with systemic racism either. But this isn't about systemic racism. Or race. It's about Marxists using that as cover to shred the country from within. In his journal, Columbus didn’t mince words about his intentions after meeting the Arawak natives in the Bahamas in 1492. He described the encounter thusly: “They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things ... They willingly traded everything they owned ... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features .... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane. ... They would make fine servants. ... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.” Columbus would add: “As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts.”
Rob's House Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Why people can't see this blows my freaking mind. I'm sure there are some fair minded democrats on here that can see it too. There are. 1
B-Man Posted June 21, 2020 Author Posted June 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Warcodered said: WTF does Columbus have to do with Communism? OMG please tell me you are deliberately being dense It’s political cartoon that’s meaning is transparent. Good Lord. 3 1
Rob's House Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: In his journal, Columbus didn’t mince words about his intentions after meeting the Arawak natives in the Bahamas in 1492. He described the encounter thusly: “They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things ... They willingly traded everything they owned ... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features .... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane. ... They would make fine servants. ... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.” Columbus would add: “As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts.” Your point? 2
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: OMG please tell me you are deliberately being dense It’s political cartoon that’s meaning is transparent. Good Lord. If the meaning is so obvious why don't you explain. 2 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Your point? that it's not exactly hard to see why protesters against systemic racism would pull down a statue of a known slave trader? Edited June 21, 2020 by Warcodered
Chef Jim Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Your point? Beat me to it. It blows my mind how people judge individuals from 500 years ago based on our values of today. 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: If the meaning is so obvious why don't you explain. Take a moment to look at the cartoon and use your critical thinking skills. I’m sure you’ll figure it out on your own. Edited June 21, 2020 by Chef Jim 4
Rob's House Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Warcodered said: If the meaning is so obvious why don't you explain. that it's not exactly hard to see why protesters against systemic racism would pull down a statue of a known slave trader? It's easy to see why morons would, but viewing a man from the 1400s through the ethnocentric lens of 21st century American morality is patently absurd. The concept of individual liberty wasn't present anywhere in the world. Conquest and subjugation was the norm among all civilizations. There is nothing particularly out of the ordinary about this. Columbus isn't remembered for being the wokest angel of his time, he's remembered for bringing European civilization to the Americas. Ethnocentric purity tests aren't enlightened. They're fu¢king stupid. Edited June 21, 2020 by Rob's House 1 3
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 Just now, Rob's House said: It's easy to see why morons would, but viewing a man from the 1400s through the ethnocentric lens of 21st century American morality is patently absurd. The concept of individual liberty wasn't present anywhere in the world. Conquest and subjugation was the norm among all civilizations. There is nothing particularly out of the ordinary about this. Columbus isn't remembered for being the wokest angel of his time, he's remembered for bringing civilization to the Americas. Ethnocentric purity tests aren't enlightened. They're fu¢king stupid. Right because the ones that were already here didn't count....for reasons.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Warcodered said: In his journal, Columbus didn’t mince words about his intentions after meeting the Arawak natives in the Bahamas in 1492. He described the encounter thusly: “They ... brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things ... They willingly traded everything they owned ... They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features .... They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane. ... They would make fine servants. ... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.” Columbus would add: “As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts.” And that's different from the others in his day... how? Right. You can't look back at history using a modern lens to pass judgment -- unless you're a Marxist practicing critical theory in order to destroy the past. Thank you for proving my point. 3 1
Commsvet11 Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Right because the ones that were already here didn't count....for reasons. Well looks like you have your beef, take it up with Columbus then. 1
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: And that's different from the others in his day... how? Right. You can't look back at history using a modern lens to pass judgment -- unless you're a Marxist practicing critical theory in order to destroy the past. Thank you for proving my point. So you can't look at the past and see that people did some ***** up ***** unless you're a communist, and that's what you believe?
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: So you can't look at the past and see that people did some ***** up ***** unless you're a communist, and that's what you believe? I'm a historian with multiple degrees on the subject. What I said was different than what you're implying. I said, you cannot look back at the past with a modern lens in order to pass judgment unless your goal is to be dishonest about history itself. It's Critical Theory 101 -- which is Marxist. It's goal is not to give you an understanding of history, but to shade it and distort it into "evil" in order to destroy it. And you're playing right along with it because you're not stopping to think for yourself. 6
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Take a moment to look at the cartoon and use your critical thinking skills. I’m sure you’ll figure it out on your own. Yet another person whom seems to think this cartoon is obvious maybe you can be the one to explain what pulling down a statue of Columbus has to do with Communism. I'm beginning to wonder if you guys actually no what Communism and Socialism mean or if it's just somehow become slang for thing you don't like.
Chef Jim Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Right because the ones that were already here didn't count....for reasons. Let me ask you a question. Not sure how old you are but did you, your dad or your grampa ever concern themselves with drinking while they drove? My dad never thought twice about driving with a beer between his legs. We’d be horrified at the thought of that today. And that’s just 40 plus years ago. Not sure if this is a good analogy but it was the first one that popped in my head. 1 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 Just now, Warcodered said: Yet another person whom seems to think this cartoon is obvious maybe you can be the one to explain what pulling down a statue of Columbus has to do with Communism. I'm beginning to wonder if you guys actually no what Communism and Socialism mean or if it's just somehow become slang for thing you don't like. It is obvious. So obvious it took me one sentence to explain it. But you're in denial about what's actually happening. Which is why you're lost. 3 1
Chef Jim Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Yet another person whom seems to think this cartoon is obvious maybe you can be the one to explain what pulling down a statue of Columbus has to do with Communism. It has NOTHING to do with communism and everything to do with critical thinking and change. 3
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: It has NOTHING to do with communism and everything to do with critical thinking and change. Right so go off the cartoon the implication is that the pulling down of Columbus' statue leads to Communism could you tell me how? 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'm a historian with multiple degrees on the subject. What I said was different than what you're implying. I said, you cannot look back at the past with a modern lens in order to pass judgment unless your goal is to be dishonest about history itself. It's Critical Theory 101 -- which is Marxist. It's goal is not to give you an understanding of history, but to shade it and distort it into "evil" in order to destroy it. And you're playing right along with it because you're not stopping to think for yourself. So you're of the opinion that morality is subjective?
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