Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Correct. Again, when you lead with something ridiculous and dangerous as your number one goal -- you diminish the weight of the entire movement. Wow Democrats are crazy. We need the police to help us all out. 2 1 1
B-Man Posted June 4, 2020 Author Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Correct. Again, when you lead with something ridiculous and dangerous as your number one goal -- you diminish the weight of the entire movement. 4
plenzmd1 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, westside2 said: Then you're weak. okey dokey 1
IYKYK Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Wow Democrats are crazy. We need the police to help us all out. They're too busy kneeling to their new masters.
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: And yet the left doesn’t support Trump sending in the military. Can the need be more obvious ? Neither does the secretary of defense. With good reason. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Wow Democrats are crazy. We need the police to help us all out. Meanwhile the Trumpers who want to send in the marines are perfectly rational.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 Barr speaking now: https://www.justice.gov/live 1
Magox Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 I can't think of a time to where I feel this level of antipathy towards the left as I do right now. They are both intellectually and morally bankrupt. There is a complete white washing of everything that is happening and a complicit media to help them achieve this. All the way from the health experts, to institutionalists, to the media, the politicians and the youth. You truly cannot have an opinion and state facts that counter the mob's view. If you do, you'll be derided, ostracized and ratioed. It's not even enough to be oppose some of these views, your silence is now considered complicit. I have a pretty well-rounded group of contacts via social media and what I'm seeing now is jarring. It's outright Orwellian. I've been saying it over the past few days, and it's not an exaggeration. This is a societal condition that is destructive to the identity of a free and open society. When you silence free speech via mob rule tactics, that is a scary thing. 8 2 1 1
Motorin' Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's very hard to take a list of goals and agendas seriously when the number one item is to defund the police. That would solve nothing, in fact, it would make all the problems they claim to be up in arms about much, much, much worse. Which begs the question -- what's the actual agenda? Social reform or revolution? Those are not synonymous, despite the catchy chants. There are two main asks. Federal Legislation that sets a minimum standard for the use of lethal force and lifting removing qualified immunity, and an the establishment of an outside review board to investigate police criminality in order to remove the inherent conflict of interest within the DA's office. Of course defunding the police will never happen. It's like asking for a million when WGA minimum would be a win. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: There are two main asks. Federal Legislation that sets a minimum standard for the use of lethal force and lifting removing qualified immunity, and an the establishment of an outside review board to investigate police criminality in order to remove the inherent conflict of interest within the DA's office. Of course defunding the police will never happen. It's like asking for a million when WGA minimum would be a win. I don't disagree -- but the fact is that "defunding the police" is the rallying call (from what I've seen on the streets of the protests in my own city, LA). Which just makes it impossible to take the rest seriously, no matter how well intentioned it is.
Magox Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 I'm old enough to remember when they staged a counter protest to the protesters who wanted to get back to work. Like I said, bankrupt. 2 1
Motorin' Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I don't disagree -- but the fact is that "defunding the police" is the rallying call (from what I've seen on the streets of the protests in my own city, LA). Which just makes it impossible to take the rest seriously, no matter how well intentioned it is. The people working for these legal reforms are not the same individuals asking for to defund the police. Also many cities around the country are taking down Confederate statues. Edited June 4, 2020 by Motorin' 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I don't disagree -- but the fact is that "defunding the police" is the rallying call (from what I've seen on the streets of the protests in my own city, LA). Which just makes it impossible to take the rest seriously, no matter how well intentioned it is. Kind of like how they're claiming that they know it isn't all cops while spraying ACAB.... 1
Motorin' Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Kind of like how they're claiming that they know it isn't all cops while spraying ACAB.... It's just a few bad apples.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: It's just a few bad apples. So you disagree with everyone who sprays ACAB?
Magox Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minute video on what is Orwellian Tell me if this is not what is happening in today's society more so than at any point in your lifetime. Edited June 4, 2020 by Magox 1
SectionC3 Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Magox said: I can't think of a time to where I feel this level of antipathy towards the left as I do right now. They are both intellectually and morally bankrupt. There is a complete white washing of everything that is happening and a complicit media to help them achieve this. All the way from the health experts, to institutionalists, to the media, the politicians and the youth. You truly cannot have an opinion and state facts that counter the mob's view. If you do, you'll be derided, ostracized and ratioed. It's not even enough to be oppose some of these views, your silence is now considered complicit. I have a pretty well-rounded group of contacts via social media and what I'm seeing now is jarring. It's outright Orwellian. I've been saying it over the past few days, and it's not an exaggeration. This is a societal condition that is destructive to the identity of a free and open society. When you silence free speech via mob rule tactics, that is a scary thing. It’s also scary when you gas peaceful protestors to get a photo op and threaten to needlessly turn the military upon the civilian population.
Boatdrinks Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, B-Man said: Lol.... better sunset ALL gun control laws ASAP. Have to give the good citizens of the nation a fighting chance vs the criminals.
Motorin' Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: So you disagree with everyone who sprays ACAB? I don't agree with any of the destructiveness that has been happening. I think the whole phrase is, "a few bad apples spoil the bunch." I think all cops have a tough job, and most of them want to protect and serve. But I think the laws and culture of policing are setup to protect, intentionally or not, to protect the bad cops. And I've seen enough retaliation and punishment against the preverbal good cop for speaking out against the actions of the bad cop to believe that the system needs to be reformed.
Boatdrinks Posted June 4, 2020 Posted June 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Wow Democrats are crazy. We need the police to help us all out. This has perhaps never been more apparent than now. 2
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