plenzmd1 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: What math is he missing? I agree two things can be true. It can be true that there are other conversations to be had about policing and race relations in America and also true that the “police are always killing innocent black people” narrative is completely media driven. this math..the same that says yep cases are up 3%, but tests are up 12%... Quote Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/
BillStime Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Not from me. I have him on ignore and would have never known he quoted me without someone else quoting him. And that’s exactly why I persisted. 9 minutes ago, GG said: You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. Let’s go @Buffalogal - let’s hear all the examples on how “Obama definitely fanned the flames and set race relations back to before the '60s. For a man that could have united, he definitely was the great divider-in-chief.” 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: How many cops are killed by black suspects? How many cops are killed by white suspects? Is there any context behind the numbers of people, both white and black, that are killed by police? The fact that people love making the statement that x percentage of people are killed by cops, without any context whatsoever, THAT is intellectually dishonest. the number of people killed by the police in custody by race vs the percentage of that race in the population of the population is in fact...fact. The number killed while armed by race is in fact..fact. Does not diminish at all what officers are faced with on a daily basis. But @SoCal Deek in one thread wants to use numbers as facts..and understands percentages etc, but is this thread chooses to ignore them. 1
Sig1Hunter Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: this math..the same that says yep cases are up 3%, but tests are up 12%... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ You forgot those quote from that study: “Fatalities resulting from LE action are included without regard to whether the death was intentional or legally justifiable.” 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Sig1Hunter said: You forgot those quote from that study: “Fatalities resulting from LE action are included without regard to whether the death was intentional or legally justifiable.” Never made any qualification one way or the other...and i used that study as it is peer reviewed..newer numbers out there. Is your argument based on this statement that most likley the deaths of black people was more " legally justifibale" than white people?
Sig1Hunter Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: the number of people killed by the police in custody by race vs the percentage of that race in the population of the population is in fact...fact. The number killed while armed by race is in fact..fact. Does not diminish at all what officers are faced with on a daily basis. But @SoCal Deek in one thread wants to use numbers as facts..and understands percentages etc, but is this thread chooses to ignore them. Numbers are numbers. If you, or anyone, wants to actually know the extent of the problem, you will actually look past the numbers. The numbers say people are killed. But, isn’t the why just as important? Is there a problem? Yes. One death is a problem. The narrative that black people are killed indiscriminately by racist cops is complete garbage. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, GG said: You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. Shut up you idiot
SectionC3 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, Doc said: Why do you and other libs worry about Trump's health? Many of you were fine voting for someone with a half-dead heart (Bernie) and many are now fine voting for someone with a half-dead brain (Biden) Because 8 years under a black President wasn't enough time to get it done... I’m not worried about Trump’s health. He’s the “healthiest president ever,” remember? I’m worried about the message his obesity sends to the rest of the world. I don’t want people like Putin to think that he’s lazy and soft. I’m also concerned about his commission of the deadly sin of gluttony. There are a lot of starving people in the world, and I worry that Trump dishonors the Holy Spirit by dishonoring his body. I also worry for Trump’s apostles, who dishonor their fathers by commiserating with that glutton. 1 1
plenzmd1 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Sig1Hunter said: Numbers are numbers. If you, or anyone, wants to actually know the extent of the problem, you will actually look past the numbers. The numbers say people are killed. But, isn’t the why just as important? Is there a problem? Yes. One death is a problem. The narrative that black people are killed indiscriminately by racist cops is complete garbage. who has said that in this thread? But to look at the numbers at say black folks die at a rate 2.8% greater rate than white people and deny there may be a systemic issue is putting your head in the sand. Let me ask you this way, what do you ascribe that increase in rate to?
IYKYK Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, BillStime said: Nah I’m not going to let him/her slip by with broad statements like that with zero examples. That's you in a nutshell. Hypocrite
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, westside2 said: That's you in a nutshell. Hypocrite Did you attend any protests?
SectionC3 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, GG said: You'd probably get responses if you weren't a bot programmed spam machine. Hoax. There are no reasonable responses to that point because the initial premise was (surprise, surprise) BS. Everyone knows it.
BillStime Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, westside2 said: That's you in a nutshell. Hypocrite How so bro? @Buffalogal - still waiting...
Doc Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said: I'm not entirely certain you really care about his spiritual health. In fact, I'm completely certain you're not, and rather are mocking people who actually do believe in that stuff. Which, of course, makes you a bigot. He's not worried about his physical or spiritual health. But it just goes to show you the "tolerant left" is only tolerant when you agree with them. 2 1
SectionC3 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Jaraxxus said: I'm not entirely certain you really care about his spiritual health. In fact, I'm completely certain you're not, and rather are mocking people who actually do believe in that stuff. Which, of course, makes you a bigot. The second sentence is a hoax. You don’t have a clue about what I do and don’t believe. I fail more often than I succeed, but I do my best to live a pious life. The first sentence is partially true. I don’t concern myself with Donald Trump’s spiritual health. He is someone who exploits religion for personal gain. I wish that he would not do that, but unfortunately I am powerless to instill the Holy Spirit within him.
LB3 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: who has said that in this thread? But to look at the numbers at say black folks die at a rate 2.8% greater rate than white people and deny there may be a systemic issue is putting your head in the sand. Let me ask you this way, what do you ascribe that increase in rate to? These conversations are always tough because it's a sensitive topic. Home life is why the rate is so high. In 2018, black children were 2.7 times more likely to come from a single parent home than white children (65% vs 24%). Promoting strong family values and good parenting aren't as easy when you're a single parent. What are the factors that cause this? I'm sure incarceration is a portion of it, but why is that number of single parent homes so vastly different? Is it a cultural thing placing less emphasis on family? I don't know the answer. These are questions that need to be answered but rarely do because someone screams "racist" and the conversation ends. 1
SectionC3 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: That's not cult like. Hoax. There’s nothing reverential about the statement. And the collective kneeling is a form of unified speech.
Reality Check Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 51 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: few? Have you seen how Brooklyn has evolved the past 10 years? Young suburban white people have been flooding to cities for a while now. Cheaper rent/housing prices have expanded their footprint deeper into these cities (largely minority communities). There is nothing wrong with it on the surface, but it does start to price long time residents out of their neighborhoods. The majority of elected officials (dems included) don’t care about these people because increases property values=more tax revenue. Bloomberg used police in Brooklyn as an example to keep crime at bay in these communities to further encourage/foster gentrification. The only elected official I know whom really cares about the people is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who has made it her lives work improving the lives underprivileged minorities I stay out of the city. It's a pig sty with too many volatile libtards who can't figure out their own problems. Perhaps you are right. Maybe people with money to invest should stop investing in NYC and just leave.
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