Deranged Rhino Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Shady is fun to watch dance his way toward the sideline.......when his high mileage wheels allow him to so grace us.......but he is one of the most overrated, hollow-impact players in the NFL. Sure, Shady made no impact on a Bills team who lead the league in rushing. Did you happen to watch the games where Shady didn't play? You're digging in on this to such a level it's reached absurdity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) Sure, Shady made no impact on a Bills team who lead the league in rushing. Did you happen to watch the games where Shady didn't play? You're digging in on this to such a level it's reached absurdity. They were 5-7 with him. 3-1 without him. In the games without him, the Bills ran for 55, 127, 236 and 113 yards. In the last 2 games before he checked out, he ran for 74 and 29. The 29 (on 10 carries) was against the Skins, a game where Mike Gillislee racked up 81 on 4 carries and Karlos kicked in another 41 at 10 yards per. That's 122 yards on 8 carries by the backups. Edited March 25, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 They were 5-7 with him. 3-1 without him. In the games without him, the Bills ran for 55, 127, 236 and 113 yards. In the last 2 games before he checked out, he ran for 74 and 29. The 29 (on 10 carries) was against the Skins, a game where Mike Gillislee racked up 81 on 4 carries and Karlos kicked in another 41 at 10 yards per. That's 122 yards on 8 carries by the backups. In my mind the skins game is hard to judge that game sucked very quick Also 2 games in the 5-7 were Ej games Not saying you don't make a point but just showing records and one blowout game stat line is not gonna doesn't paint a good picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 In my mind the skins game is hard to judge that game sucked very quick Also 2 games in the 5-7 were Ej games Not saying you don't make a point but just showing records and one blowout game stat line is not gonna doesn't paint a good picture If you have an elite RB, the passing prowess of the QB shouldn't be as much of an issue. EJ had 263 and 298 yards and 4 total TDs in those 2 losses. One was the Jax debacle, where McCoy was of little help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 They were 5-7 with him. 3-1 without him. In the games without him, the Bills ran for 55, 127, 236 and 113 yards. In the last 2 games before he checked out, he ran for 74 and 29. The 29 (on 10 carries) was against the Skins, a game where Mike Gillislee racked up 81 on 4 carries and Karlos kicked in another 41 at 10 yards per. That's 122 yards on 8 carries by the backups. In 3 of the losses he was 15 for 89 (5.9 YPC), 17 for 90 (5.3 YPC) and 20 for 82 (4.1 YPC). Is it his fault if they don't give him the ball more? As for the wins, it's easier to win when your defense holds teams to fewer than 17 points. And again, he wasn't healthy all season long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 In 3 of the losses he was 15 for 89 (5.9 YPC), 17 for 90 (5.3 YPC) and 20 for 82 (4.1 YPC). Is it his fault if they don't give him the ball more? As for the wins, it's easier to win when your defense holds teams to fewer than 17 points. And again, he wasn't healthy all season long. If they thought it would benefit the offense, they would have given him more carries. He's never carried more than 20 times all year--not because he was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 If they thought it would benefit the offense, they would have given him more carries. He's never carried more than 20 times all year--not because he was injured. Really? So running at over 5 yards a clip isn't "benefiting the offense"? LOL! Yeah, okay. If only the defense could have held more teams to under 17 points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Really? So running at over 5 yards a clip isn't "benefiting the offense"? LOL! Yeah, okay. If only the defense could have held more teams to under 17 points... In in 2 of the wins with him, the D held the opposing team to 14 and still he wasn't a factor (total of 28 carries for 57 yards). In the other 4 losses, he was 18/68 (3.8), 19/70 (3.7), 10/29 (2.9), and 20/74 (3.7). Plenty of carries, mediocre results. If he's the best player on this team, this team is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 In in 2 of the wins with him, the D held the opposing team to 14 and still he wasn't a factor (total of 28 carries for 57 yards). In the other 4 losses, he was 18/68 (3.8), 19/70 (3.7), 10/29 (2.9), and 20/74 (3.7). Plenty of carries, mediocre results. If he's the best player on this team, this team is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 In in 2 of the wins with him, the D held the opposing team to 14 and still he wasn't a factor (total of 28 carries for 57 yards). In the other 4 losses, he was 18/68 (3.8), 19/70 (3.7), 10/29 (2.9), and 20/74 (3.7). Plenty of carries, mediocre results. If he's the best player on this team, this team is doomed. I don't disagree with you. You rarely want your RB to be the best player on your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I don't disagree with you. You rarely want your RB to be the best player on your team. Sure, but like with most things WEO argues, no one was trying to say that was true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Let me repeat this for you.........the Bills traded the fifth round pick that they needed to outbid the Jets for Brandon Marshall to the Vikings for Matt Cassell. The Bills had the first selection in the 5th round. They were in on Marshall. They settled for Harvin. I had forgotten the Bills had the first choice in the 5th. Point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Sure, but like with most things WEO argues, no one was trying to say that was true. Weo makes lovin' fun again. where would we be without him ? I shudder at the thought of him not keeping us on point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Sure, but like with most things WEO argues, no one was trying to say that was true. What was he trying to say, then? Shady is arguably the best player, and at least in the top-3. Ideally you want your QB to be the best player and if he isn't, you're "doomed" to an extent. But I'd rather have Shady (ideally healthy unlike last season) than not. And while I love Karlos, he couldn't stay healthy as a rookie and has concussion issues, and it's too early to see if street FA Gillislee is all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) If they thought it would benefit the offense, they would have given him more carries. He's never carried more than 20 times all year--not because he was injured. I thought he was injured coming out of camp? Edited March 25, 2016 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I thought he was injured coming out of camp? He was. Everyone (else) knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) I don't disagree with you. You rarely want your RB to be the best player on your team. You just recently said he was arguably the best player on this team. And you said so without qualification initially. Sure, but like with most things WEO argues, no one was trying to say that was true. See above. doc's own words, not mine. I wouldn't put forth a whooper like that. I just respond to it. Edited March 25, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 He was. Everyone (else) knows this. yep i recall rex talking about limited reps. Thats is why is was so sweet Bills found a gem in Karlos and then again in Mike. Roman still gets his game on. Love the run game! really looking forward to this coming year, run opens up the pass? oh yeah any updates on Harvin? timelines to decide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) You just recently said he was arguably the best player on this team. And you said so without qualification initially. See above. doc's own words, not mine. I wouldn't put forth a whooper like that. I just respond to it. It wasn't without qualifications. When I shouted that I was also thinking about Sammy, who you said was the best, but in 1 fewer game, Shady out-gained him in yards, while Sammy had more TD's. And again, Shady was injured all year long. Hence I added "arguably." Edited March 25, 2016 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 It wasn't without qualifications. When I shouted that I was also thinking about Sammy, who you said was the best, but in 1 fewer game, Shady out-gained him in yards, while Sammy had more TD's. And again, Shady was injured all year long. Hence I added "arguably." Dareus and Sammy are the two best players on the roster in my mind. But McCoy is right up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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