Best Player Available Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 We are in the bottom half of every category yet you suggest bringing in Rob Ryan to fix it? I'm confused. Also, Can you own two professional sports teams in one city and have two brothers working as coaches for one of them? Where's Roger when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Are we talking about the same genius that once called out Trent Edwards when he was the Raidas DC, as though he needed to get in Trentative's head to beat him? The one who looks like a crazed Bad Santa? The one that the only thing that is a relative qualification for a DC is his last name? That Rob Ryan? I'd prefer Rod Ryan... he's at least entertaining and is a Buffalo guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Rob is a one hit wonder. Good for the first year or two. After that, his defenses take a nosedive, and out the door he goes. He might make a good assistant, but that's as far as it goes. I believe he's a one hit wonder across whole career. One decent year, the rest all God awful. I don't know how he keeps getting jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I believe he's a one hit wonder across whole career. One decent year, the rest all God awful. I don't know how he keeps getting jobs. like his twin brother his last name seems to still hold a lot of clout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Pegula is smarter than that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Pegula is smarter than that, right? He hired one Ryan with a losing record. Why not another one? At this point I'd take 80 something year old Buddy Ryan over either of his boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Hey- they cut Pigpen, AGAIN LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 if rex hired that clown I can see both of them getting the boot in 2017 Yikes what a sideshow disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I don't know enough about Rob Ryan to know how I feel about this. Should we be happy at this notion, or "afraid, very afraid"? Neither. It will be 'disgusting, very disgusting' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Do you follow the NFL? He's one of the worst DC in the league.....which is why he is no longer in the league. Be very afraid Hiring another Ryan would be the ultimate insult to all Bills fans. The Ryan the Bills already have is a complete failure. Why would the Bills want another one? Insanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Neither. It will be 'disgusting, very disgusting' OK, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 What's the point? The current DC blows...you want to add another bad one? and missed the playoffs....offense went from 26th to 13th with a first year qb.....this will lead to wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I would have no problem hiring Rob Ryan as a position coach. Some of the best position coaches in the NFL are failed OCs, DCs, and HCs. The Bills very own DBs coach Donnie Henderson, who everyone around here feared would leave last year when Ryan was hired and who is roundly praised as one of the best in the NFL was a terrible Tampa 2 DC with the Jets and the Lions. He hasn't been a great DC, but he's had some pretty good ones over his career. He'd be a voice in the room among many others, not the sole defensive gameplanner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) and missed the playoffs....offense went from 26th to 13th with a first year qb.....this will lead to winsAgain, I think the main focus will be on the defense. And if Rex is a given to return, who takes the fall? Gotta be Whaley (personnel) or Thurman (DC) IMO. And if the latter who replaces him? Edited December 23, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Again, I think the main focus will be on the defense. And if Rex is a given to return, who takes the fall? Gotta be Whaley (personnel) or Thomas (DC) IMO. And if the latter who replaces him?Thomas? Isnt it Thurman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Thomas? Isnt it Thurman? You seem confused. Thurman Thomas was a Bills running back from like twenty years ago. Wore number 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I would have no problem hiring Rob Ryan as a position coach. Some of the best position coaches in the NFL are failed OCs, DCs, and HCs. The Bills very own DBs coach Donnie Henderson, who everyone around here feared would leave last year when Ryan was hired and who is roundly praised as one of the best in the NFL was a terrible Tampa 2 DC with the Jets and the Lions. He hasn't been a great DC, but he's had some pretty good ones over his career. He'd be a voice in the room among many others, not the sole defensive gameplanner. I guess he could be a wingman. Someone to go to Bill Bar,big tree, or Danny's. To pick-up the coaches lunch. Would save time for a administrative asst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Again, I think the main focus will be on the defense. And if Rex is a given to return, who takes the fall? Gotta be Whaley (personnel) or Thomas (DC) IMO. And if the latter who replaces him? I don't think Thurmann will be fired. Anything involving the defense starts with Ryan. He has already come out and said that he tried to incorporate too much of what we did last year and it did not mix well with what they were installing. Players will be switched out. To run a complex defensive scheme, you need smart defenders and the Bills do not have alot of defenders with natural instincts IMO. Also, the perceived connection to the defense we ran under Pettine was overblown. We were much more of a 43 UNDER base that season than anything resembling a 34 which Ryan likes to run. The defensive side of the ball has always been more suited running a 43. Dareus, Hughes, A. Williams, and Gilmore are scheme diverse players. Dareus can play 34 DE, NT, 43 DT. Hughes can play 43DE or 34 OLB. A. Williams can play FS, SS, and can cover both TEs and WRs if needed and can play in the tackle box close to the line or in center field. Gilmore can play man, press, or zone although he is a better man defender than zone guy IMO. But guys like Mario, Kyle, and Bradham do not fit into a 34 scheme very well. You can't blame Ryan, however. He knows his defensive system. He made a name for himself as a superstar DC playing his defensive system. He was hired as a HC because of his defensive system. You can't hire him as a HC and hand him players that don't fit. He has always had a pure NT, expect for this season. He has always had 2 identical safeties who are interchangeable(this is a big part of what he does in coverage) except for this season. He has always had a combo LB who can rush and cover, except for this season. If the Bills were supposed to make a push for the playoffs this year on the strength of their defense and improving the offense than Ryan was not the right hire. It didn't make sense as a one year move that Ryan would come in and improve the defense by playing a watered down version of his schemes. I think alot of people including those with the Bills overvalued some of the talent on D and their ability to play in multiple schemes. Nigel Bradham, for example, was drafted to 43 LB under Wanny, then was lost playing more inside under Pettine, and blossomed playing OLB for Schwartz. He is clearly a gifted player playing out of scheme. Anyway, I could go on. The blame needs to fall on who signed off that this idea would work because hiring Ryan and making almost no defensive personnel changes to help the team adjust was a big mistake. The guy to hire with this defensive personnel was Dan Quinn from SEA, but it remains to be seen if he would even have wanted the job considering the QB situation at the time which remember was regarded as one of the worst 1 or 2 situations in the NFL. At this point, the Bills need to go all in on Ryan's defensive scheme. There is no turning back. What's done is done. There really is no other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Saving pies ate Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) I don't think Thurmann will be fired. Anything involving the defense starts with Ryan. He has already come out and said that he tried to incorporate too much of what we did last year and it did not mix well with what they were installing. Players will be switched out. To run a complex defensive scheme, you need smart defenders and the Bills do not have alot of defenders with natural instincts IMO. Also, the perceived connection to the defense we ran under Pettine was overblown. We were much more of a 43 UNDER base that season than anything resembling a 34 which Ryan likes to run. The defensive side of the ball has always been more suited running a 43. Dareus, Hughes, A. Williams, and Gilmore are scheme diverse players. Dareus can play 34 DE, NT, 43 DT. Hughes can play 43DE or 34 OLB. A. Williams can play FS, SS, and can cover both TEs and WRs if needed and can play in the tackle box close to the line or in center field. Gilmore can play man, press, or zone although he is a better man defender than zone guy IMO. But guys like Mario, Kyle, and Bradham do not fit into a 34 scheme very well. You can't blame Ryan, however. He knows his defensive system. He made a name for himself as a superstar DC playing his defensive system. He was hired as a HC because of his defensive system. You can't hire him as a HC and hand him players that don't fit. He has always had a pure NT, expect for this season. He has always had 2 identical safeties who are interchangeable(this is a big part of what he does in coverage) except for this season. He has always had a combo LB who can rush and cover, except for this season. If the Bills were supposed to make a push for the playoffs this year on the strength of their defense and improving the offense than Ryan was not the right hire. It didn't make sense as a one year move that Ryan would come in and improve the defense by playing a watered down version of his schemes. I think alot of people including those with the Bills overvalued some of the talent on D and their ability to play in multiple schemes. Nigel Bradham, for example, was drafted to 43 LB under Wanny, then was lost playing more inside under Pettine, and blossomed playing OLB for Schwartz. He is clearly a gifted player playing out of scheme. Anyway, I could go on. The blame needs to fall on who signed off that this idea would work because hiring Ryan and making almost no defensive personnel changes to help the team adjust was a big mistake. The guy to hire with this defensive personnel was Dan Quinn from SEA, but it remains to be seen if he would even have wanted the job considering the QB situation at the time which remember was regarded as one of the worst 1 or 2 situations in the NFL. At this point, the Bills need to go all in on Ryan's defensive scheme. There is no turning back. What's done is done. There really is no other option. I agree with everything you say, except that Thurman wont get fired (or at least edged out). I've been saying all along it won't be until his second season to see the benefits of Rex's defense because of the need to get the personell to fit the scheme. Fundamentally this raises a bigger problem with Rex: he should be a DC, not an HC. Hes not a good general manager (as evidenced by lack of player discipline), and he (at best) brings nothing to the offense. Just like Chan gailey is a good OC, but was ill-equipped to be an HC. Nonetheless Rex will be the HC next year, which I think makes someone vulnerable to take the fall for this season. And if its Thurman opens the door for brother rob...these Ryan's are nothing else if not bold and fiercely loyal to each other. Edited December 23, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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