New Orleans To Remove Excremental Rebel Monuments

[B-Man]

 

 

"CONFEDERATE" Explorer ?

 

 

CANCELING MAGELLAN

 

Ferdinand Magellan was one of the world’s greatest explorers. He led the first expedition to sail around the world, although he didn’t finish the voyage, having been murdered by natives in what is now the Philippines. Magellan’s greatness as an explorer and navigator has been recognized in many ways. For example, he discovered the Strait of Magellan at the bottom of South America. And his expedition observed and recorded the galaxies that now bear his name.

 

But perhaps not for long: Astronomers request retitling of galaxies named after ‘violent colonialist’ explorer Magellan.

 

A group of astronomers has called for galaxies named after the 16th-century Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan to be renamed because of his “violent colonialist legacy”.

The Large and Small Magellanic Clouds are dwarf galaxies in the Milky Way that can be visible to the naked eye from the Southern Hemisphere.

They are claimed to have been discovered by Magellan and his crew during their first circumnavigation of the world between 1519 and 1522.

 

However, a group of astronomers in the United States has asked the International Astronomical Union, the body in charge of naming astronomical objects, for the Magellanic Clouds to be renamed.

 

So, what exactly did Magellan do wrong?

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/12/astronomers-rename-galaxies-explorer-ferdinand-magellan/

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/11/canceling-magellan.php

 

 

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[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

"CONFEDERATE" Explorer ?

 

 

CANCELING MAGELLAN

 

Ferdinand Magellan was one of the world’s greatest explorers. He led the first expedition to sail around the world, although he didn’t finish the voyage, having been murdered by natives in what is now the Philippines. 

 

 

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Maybe they didn't like illegal immigration either 

[B-Man]

 

"Why are you upset B-Man ?  Theses are just Confederate generals.  You must secretly love slavery.

 

 

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

You were warned.

 

CANCEL GEORGE WASHINGTON?

 

When liberals began their war on public monuments a few years ago, we were told that only statues of Confederate generals would be dismantled. Of course that turned out not to be true. While slavery is the purported justification for these erasures of history, even monuments to Abraham Lincoln have not been immune.

 

Now, New York City–having, apparently, no larger issues to address–is considering tearing down statutes of George Washington, Christopher Columbus and Thomas Jefferson. Washington is on the list because he owned slaves; never mind that he was one of the few planters who freed his slaves.

 

This prompted Rasmussen Reports to sample Americans’ opinions on monuments to Washington:

 

Twenty-seven percent (27%) of U.S. voters approve of removing public monuments to Washington, including 11% who Strongly Approve. However, two-thirds (66%) disapprove of removing monuments to Washington, including 48% who Strongly Disapprove.

 

I should hope so! On the other hand, there is this:

 

Democratic voters, however, are more evenly divided; 40% of Democrats approve of removing monuments to Washington – including 21% who Strongly Approve – while 53% disapprove, including 32% who Strongly Disapprove.

 

Forty percent of Democrats want to tear down statutes of George Washington. And that figure is higher among younger Democrats:

 

[J]ust 31% of voters under 40 have a Very Favorable impression of Washington. Forty-four percent (44%) of under-40 voters at least somewhat approve of removing monuments to America’s first president….

 

This reflects the poisonous doctrines taught in America’s schools. As the schools turn out more misinformed young people, watch for the number who want to erase George Washington from our history to grow. Of course, to truly erase the Father of our Country we would have no re-name Washington, D.C. and the State of Washington, among many other things.

 

And finally, this:

Twenty-two percent (22%) of all Likely Voters believe Joe Biden is a better president than Washington, but a majority (52%) say Biden is worse than Washington.

Who could possibly be crazy enough to think that Joe Biden is a better president than George Washington?

 

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/12/cancel-george-washington.php

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

Biden Removing Monument that Celebrates National Reconciliation

DAVID STROM 

 

 

Arlington National Cemetary is hallowed ground.

 

Its history is tied to both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War–the Arlington Estate was originally created as a tribute to George Washington by his adopted grandson, and by an odd quirk of fate, Robert E. Lee wound up temporarily possessing the property at the outbreak of the Civil War. The federal government seized it for military purposes, and it became the site of our most prestigious national cemetery.

 

The Civil War was, by far, the most deadly war in our history, with over half a million American deaths. At the turn of the 20th century, Congress agreed to intern Confederate soldiers at Arlington and allowed the erection of a monument that became known as the “Reconciliation” monument–a celebration of the country coming back together.

 

After the George Floyd riots, the federal government decided to take down monuments with a connection to the Confederacy and to eliminate anything that could be interpreted as celebrating, justifying, or acknowledging the Confederacy as anything other than evil. As part of this effort the “Reconciliation Monument” was put on the chopping bloc.

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/12/18/biden-removing-monument-that-celebrates-national-reconciliation-n599701

[B-Man]

 

 

FTA:

The history and composition of the statue bear out Clyde's assertion of unity.

 

Traditionally a cemetery for Union soldiers, in 1898 after victory in the Spanish-American War, President William McKinley declared, 'in the spirit of fraternity we should share with you in the care of the graves of Confederate soldiers ... Sectional feeling no longer holds back the love we feel for each other.' Over the ensuing years, many Confederate graves were moved to Arlington National Cemetery, and the monument, designed by the first Jewish graduate of Virginia Military Institute, was unveiled in 1914. 

 

The monument itself shows a female figure on top representing the beating of swords into plowshares, the reliefs around the body of the monument depict freed slaves, and Union and Confederate figures in harmony, and even the base of the statue contains an excerpt from the Pharsalia, a poem written by Roman poet Lucan after the war between Julius Caesar and Pompey, decrying the horrors of civil war.

 

But in post-George Floyd America, none of that history means anything. Anything remotely associated with the Confederacy has to go. 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2023/12/18/erasing-history-arlington-national-cemetery-to-remove-civil-war-reconciliation-monument-n2390910

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Oh, so the Confederates were not suckers and losers. 

 

No, the Confederates were pro-slavery losers 

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Missed the whole point as usual.

 

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, B-Man said:

President William McKinley declared, 'in the spirit of fraternity we should share with you in the care of the graves of Confederate soldiers ... Sectional feeling no longer holds back the love we feel for each other.' 

 

The monument itself shows a female figure on top representing the beating of swords into plowshares, the reliefs around the body of the monument depict freed slaves, and Union and Confederate figures in harmony

But in post-George Floyd America, none of that history means anything. Anything remotely associated with the Confederacy has to go. 

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2023 by B-Man

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Missed the whole point as usual.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, I got the point 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

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Who is this about? 

[B-Man]

 

We told you.

 

On page one.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Another "evil" confederate statue gone.

 

 

 

USA Today

Mayor removes Confederate monument in Jacksonville despite opposition

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/12/27/confederate-monument-removed-jacksonville-florida/72043093007/

[BillStime]

👆And they wonder why people call them racists.

 

 

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

Wrong thread.

[Tommy Callahan]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Another "evil" confederate statue gone.

 

 

 

USA Today

Mayor removes Confederate monument in Jacksonville despite opposition

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/12/27/confederate-monument-removed-jacksonville-florida/72043093007/

The mob hates everything American.   

 

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

BTW.  The women of the confederacy were involved in reconstruction. In one very famous story they petitioned the government to pay John W Jones 2 dollars and 50 cents for every Confederate soldier that died in Hellmira prison camp.  making him the richest black person in the state.  And in turn Designated Woodlawn Cemetery with the same designation and has a similar monument.

 

https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Monuments-and-Memorials/Confederate-Memorial

 

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/531737/john-w-jones-runaway-slave-who-buried-nearly-3000-confederate-soldiers

 

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380765343477617209/

 

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by Tommy Callahan

[Tommy Callahan]

And history repeats itself as the same  voices push and support for race based segregation.  

[Tommy Callahan]

Current rebels?

 

 

[Thurmal34]

why does anyone care about the removal of statues of men and women that waged war on the US?

 

its so strange. removing a monument to a traitor does not "erase history", all it does is not give that traitor props.

 

the events still happened, whether the statue of the villain is there or not.

[BillStime]

47 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said:

why does anyone care about the removal of statues of men and women that waged war on the US?

 

its so strange. removing a monument to a traitor does not "erase history", all it does is not give that traitor props.

 

the events still happened, whether the statue of the villain is there or not.

 

Racists care. That's who they are.

 

 

While at the same time, these phks cry about the CRT bogeyman.

 

F'n idiots.

 

 

[B-Man]

9 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

why does anyone care about the removal of statues of men and women that waged war on the US?

 

its so strange. removing a monument to a traitor does not "erase history", all it does is not give that traitor props.

 

the events still happened, whether the statue of the villain is there or not.

 

 

What an incredibly simplistic (and incorrect) response.

 

 

It goes without saying that your "blinders on" view of this discussion is wrong.

 

Ask yourself where the removal of the Reconciliation Statue, or the Jefferson, Washington, or Columbus statues fit into your childish take.

 

 

 

 

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Edited December 29, 2023 by B-Man

[Tommy Callahan]

I believe every National Cemetary has a monument to the rebels that died.

 

before the VA cemetary was built in Pembroke. the closest in western NY was in Bath NY.

 

The Bath National Cemetary also has a Monument to Rebels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_National_Cemetery

Notable monuments[edit]

A 40-foot (12 m) high granite "Preservation of the Union Monument" which was dedicated to Civil War soldiers, erected in 1892. Its benefactor was Samuel Dietz.

The "1812 monument" marks the burial place of the 28 soldiers from the War of 1812 who were reinterred at the cemetery.

 

 

[BillStime]

On 12/28/2023 at 12:39 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

Wrong thread.

Oh no - Bonnie - this is 100% the correct thread.

[B-Man]

 

 

Why are you defending Confederates ?

 

 

I'm not.

 

While Confederate statues tend to be at the forefront of the debate, statues of Christopher Columbus and others have also been targeted for removal or defense.

 

There were 149 monuments to Columbus, according to the Monument Lab, the third most of anyone in the United States with more than Robert E. Lee (59) and Stonewall Jackson (33) combined. 

 

 

 

A smart woman.

 

The statues do not cause racism and could be used to fight racism if put into historical context.

Author Sophia A. Nelson, who notes she is the granddaughter of a slave, states that she does not ”fear 150-year-old statues of old dead white men.”

 

Nelson argues that her classmates at Washington & Lee University “didn’t hate [Black students] because there were statues of Robert E. Lee or George Washington (our nation’s first President and a slave owner) on campus. They didn’t like having black classmates because they had racist hearts. They honored racial prejudice. They harbored cultural bias. That, my friends, is what we must work toward eradicating.” [50]

 

 

https://www.procon.org/headlines/historic-statue-removal-top-3-pros-cons/

 

 

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[Thurmal34]

15 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Why are you defending Confederates ?

 

 

I'm not.

 

While Confederate statues tend to be at the forefront of the debate, statues of Christopher Columbus and others have also been targeted for removal or defense.

 

There were 149 monuments to Columbus, according to the Monument Lab, the third most of anyone in the United States with more than Robert E. Lee (59) and Stonewall Jackson (33) combined. 

 

 

 

A smart woman.

 

The statues do not cause racism and could be used to fight racism if put into historical context.

Author Sophia A. Nelson, who notes she is the granddaughter of a slave, states that she does not ”fear 150-year-old statues of old dead white men.”

 

Nelson argues that her classmates at Washington & Lee University “didn’t hate [Black students] because there were statues of Robert E. Lee or George Washington (our nation’s first President and a slave owner) on campus. They didn’t like having black classmates because they had racist hearts. They honored racial prejudice. They harbored cultural bias. That, my friends, is what we must work toward eradicating.” [50]

 

 

https://www.procon.org/headlines/historic-statue-removal-top-3-pros-cons/

 

 

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Did you want to point to the moment Chris Columbus set foot in what is now the US?

 

Or did you want to go off?

 

I’m so sorry man…

[Tommy Callahan]

5 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

Did you want to point to the moment Chris Columbus set foot in what is now the US?

Keep going.  What happened to pre Clovis, Hopewell.  

 

 

[B-Man]

9 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

Did you want to point to the moment Chris Columbus set foot in what is now the US?

 

 

Did you you want to divert from the point with your childishness ?

 

The Columbus statues are being taken down no matter where his "foot touched'  😎

 

or do you want to address why the Left is pulling down statues.

 

No.

 

Of course you don't.

[Tommy Callahan]

Someone said it would lead to moronic things like this 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Feds Fold Like a Cheap Suit, William Penn Statue Will Not Be Removed

 

Illustrating what a rolling disaster the Biden administration is, the executive-branch-controlled National Park Service decided it'd be a great idea to remove the William Penn statue that stands on the grounds of the founder of Pennsylvania's historic home.

 

Why? Because "equity and inclusion," of course. You see, "Welcome Park," the site of Penn's historic home didn't give enough representation to Native Americans, and the federal government decided the best course of action would be to remove his statue completely and turn the place into a woke shrine.

 

No doubt, the fact that Penn owned slaves was also a major factor in trying to erase his existence

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/01/08/feds-fold-like-a-cheap-suit-william-penn-statue-will-not-be-removed-n2168457

 

 

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[B-Man]

Tearing Down Hatred Where Hatred Doesn’t Exist

MILT HARRIS 

 

 

It’s laughable that leftists believe that the “woke” culture is enlightened and inclusive. Everything they do eliminates and excludes. Take, for instance, their incessant, nonsensical removal of anything that even slightly offends their shallow, hyper-sensitive sensibilities. 

 

They seem especially troubled with the past and traditions, discarding the idea that our nation, though not perfect, has evolved and instead embracing the belief that everything about it was, is, and will forever be inherently bad. That is, unless we accept and follow their new world order, which will cleanse us of our ignorance.

 

In reality, leftists' beliefs will cleanse us of nothing. In fact, they will deepen existing wounds, reopen ones that have healed, and create new deep ones that will take decades to heal. For a moment, consider their paradoxical view of equity. They pretend that DEI is focused on corporations, schools, etc., developing a more diverse workforce or student body, yet they base this diversity on skin color only. Equity to them is tied directly to diversity numbers and percentages, with merit having no bearing in the equation. So under those guidelines, how can true equity exist? As far as their idea of inclusion, it always translates to exclusion. They love to divide and conquer, moving seamlessly between villain and victim to accomplish their immediate goal. 

 

They point out imaginary injustices along the way to keep the fires of hatred burning. This keeps their woke minions in a frenzied state. A few of their favorites to attack are perceived stereotypes such as Native American names and symbols, as well as statues that supposedly represent something other than the history of our nation.   

 

Ironically, all leftists do is place storied and beloved names and places into a state of vanishing viability. Think about names such as the Washington Redskins or Cleveland Indians. These names were never meant as derogatory, yet the left campaigned, and the woke factor that had infiltrated the organizations used the chance to change the names. 

 

Now, those references to Native Americans are gone. Leftists have effectively eliminated any memories of that proud culture and replaced them with generic names that carry no significance. By doing this, they have eliminated Native Americans from the consciousness of American sports fans, and to what end? What have they changed? All they accomplished was a demonstration of their ignorance. The left’s failure to weigh intent, which is extremely important, never comes into play. It strives for change for the sake of change and the opportunity to advance its narrative.      

 

Another easy target of leftists is statues. These inanimate objects represent everything evil to those infected with the woke virus. They use these to become history revisionists instead of students of history. Many of the statues that are torn down depict slave owners, and that’s all the left can see. Like it or not, slave ownership was an accepted part of society in those times. The other accomplishments of these historical figures are ignored. What’s worse is that the left views the American public as being unable to separate the wheat from the chaff. 

 

Leftists believe that these statues need to be removed to whitewash history. Why? Because they don’t like what they represent and can’t trust the rest of America to feel the same, so rather than allow you to rationalize your own thoughts, they tear down the statues.       

 

https://pjmedia.com/miltharris/2024/01/08/tearing-down-hatred-where-hatred-doesnt-exist-n4925307

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

A despicable act.

 

I hope they tar and feather the culprits.

 

 

Wichita Community Stunned by Theft of Jackie Robinson Statue

 

 

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/01/27/wichita-community-stunned-by-theft-of-jackie-robinson-statue-n2169316

 

I wonder were they got the idea that it was okay to tear down statues ??

 

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

A despicable act.

 

I hope they tar and feather the culprits.

 

 

Wichita Community Stunned by Theft of Jackie Robinson Statue

 

 

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2024/01/27/wichita-community-stunned-by-theft-of-jackie-robinson-statue-n2169316

 

I wonder were they got the idea that it was okay to tear down statues ??

 

 

 

 

It’s what happens when you empower the right wing instead of making their ideology extinct 

[B-Man]

 

 

Follow-up

 

 

[B-Man]

 

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

What am I looking at here

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

What am I looking at here

 

 

You are looking at the proper response to Biden's incredibly hypocritical tweet.

 

But you knew that.

 

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[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You are looking at the proper response to Biden's incredibly hypocritical tweet.

 

But you knew that.

 

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I'm asking what the hell the picture is supposed to be