birdog1960 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 tyrod is just fine. coaching, special teams, the o line, a way overrated, loudmouth #1 receiver and mcgetrunover all suck. it's too much to overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 So I guess the problem is always what you aren't doing. On sports forums, this is an accurate statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Then you clearly didn't watch the preseason or the season opener. That's all he did. And yet everyone was complaining about not getting the ball to Sammy. Now, it's deep shot central. Need to find a healthy balance Is your defense of Tyrod really what he did in the prereason and week 1? My observation of why they can't get the balance is due to Tyrods inability to work the short and intermediate and over the middle passing game Expecting to complete deep balls every third down is ludicrous Edited December 14, 2015 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Because it cant be backed up. Tyrod has hit some long balls. But when we go down 2 scores i watch thinking this game is over. Every time. I cant stand that feeling. There is nothing objectively that an refute the original post. Except we have come back in games when down.....and it is usually on our QBs play cuz our D cant get turnoers......... We might not have won those games....but it was not because of points scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) You cannot have it both ways When Tyrod runs to much people B word that he isnt staying in the pocket and throwing from there to prove he can and stay healthy...... when he throws deep he should be running more In the end it all depends on whether it was successful or not.....the fact is this team had 15 plays for over 100 yards.......scored 20 points....and their supposidly great defense once again didnt live up to their billing. There is too much talent on this D to be losing games when our team scores 20 god damn points. What both ways? QBs need to be able to complete the crucial 10-12 yard pass on 3rd and 8 but Tyrod seems to really struggle with that which is a big reason why this offense is so bad on third down Edited December 14, 2015 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Is your defense of Tyrod really what he did in the prereason and week 1? My observation of why they can't get the balance is due to Tyrods inability to work the short and intermediate and over the middle passing game Expecting to complete deep balls every third down is ludicrous HE WAS COMPLETING MIDDLE PASSES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Is your defense of Tyrod really what he did in the prereason and week 1? My observation of why they can't get the balance is due to Tyrods inability to work the short and intermediate and over the middle passing game Expecting to complete deep balls every third down is ludicrous I'm not saying he won games, I'm saying he showed he was capable of making those throws. Which was your argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 What both ways? QBs need to be able to complete the crucial 10-12 yard pass on 3rd and 8 but Tyrod seems to really struggle with that which is a big reason why this offense is so bad on third down So your going to give one for instance and use it as the norm.....which is bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 So a QB that ranks in the top 5 isn't good enough for you. So the answer is roll the dice on a college kid? Or sign a vet on the way down? Because stats are everything right? Do you think Tyrod is a top 5 QB? If Tyrod is so good why is the offense so bad on third down which is where QBs are really judged? I don't dislike Tyrod I just don't think he is the long term answer and as I said all of his faults were on display today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Ha ha, now we throw too far. I remember when the problem with our QBs was always they throw short. So I guess the problem is always what you aren't doing. Maybe one that can do both? Maybe one who sees sammy beat a guy. On the opposite side of the field that he took off from. Some of the holds... were on tyrod. You cant keep freelanceing and expect no holds. Everyone knows that an o lineman doesnt know whats happening behind him so when the man he is blocking starts to change directions you will inevitably be caught in some precarious situations. We just need someone who plays with his head more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 If it doesnt work.....it was the wrong way Maybe one that can do both? Maybe one who sees sammy beat a guy. On the opposite side of the field that he took off from. Some of the holds... were on tyrod. You cant keep freelanceing and expect no holds. Everyone knows that an o lineman doesnt know whats happening behind him so when the man he is blocking starts to change directions you will inevitably be caught in some precarious situations. We just need someone who plays with his head more. Im not understanding the freelancing....that TT stayed in the pocket pretty much in this game and took off when protection broke down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I think he has progressed since his first game. Maybe he can further his development and get better and more comfortable in Roman's system. If they really like EJ keep him, if not target a new QB and bring him in. Will he be a franchise QB? Time will tell, in the meantime he can help your team win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 So your going to give one for instance and use it as the norm.....which is bs I don't understand your point but I've given several examples of Tyrods faults so not sure what you are getting at here. QBs are judged on third down where they typically hv to squeeze tight passes in small windows More often than not Tyrod completely ignores the middle of the field most likely bc he can't see over the lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Because stats are everything right? Do you think Tyrod is a top 5 QB? If Tyrod is so good why is the offense so bad on third down which is where QBs are really judged? I don't dislike Tyrod I just don't think he is the long term answer and as I said all of his faults were on display today You didnt answer Promo's question What is your answer to the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Because stats are everything right? Do you think Tyrod is a top 5 QB? If Tyrod is so good why is the offense so bad on third down which is where QBs are really judged? I don't dislike Tyrod I just don't think he is the long term answer and as I said all of his faults were on display today Let me turn this around? Are stats nothing? Is ranking high in several important categories meaningless? Stats are useful to prevent what you are doing, letting your bias run wild. Edited December 14, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't understand your point but I've given several examples of Tyrods faults so not sure what you are getting at here. QBs are judged on third down where they typically hv to squeeze tight passes in small windows More often than not Tyrod completely ignores the middle of the field most likely bc he can't see over the lineman God....here is the cant see over the linemen theory except its bull **** because he is totally throwing to the middle.......that pass to Clay (that he dropped was a absolute beauty last week) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Beeeews Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Come on, guys. We've had to worse around here within this 16 years of misery. Tyrod's got room for improvement, but he's far from the biggest problem on this particular group... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 "Why do we have a dead QB and a dead coach? I am so done with this team..." Kim's cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 More often than not Tyrod completely ignores the middle of the field most likely bc he can't see over the lineman Aren't most QBs shorter than the typical O- and D- linemen? Isn't that why they have the term "passing lanes"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 We need a QB who can lead a 4th quarter rally. That is not TT. We need a guy who can move around in the pocket and throw under pressure. That is not TT. Maybe that is EJ. He looked good on his hand-off today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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