FanDuel and DraftKings Banned in NYS

[Maury Ballstein]

Betting at these sites definitely isn't gambling. Winning regularly is not related to luck. The reason I don't think it should be legal is I don't think it's related to skill either, its related to knowledge and computer algorithms that most people don't have access too. It's a swindle.

What are you talking about ? If you pay 500.00 to win 4500 against 10 other people it's gambling.

 

How much simpler can a gambling transaction be ?

 

 

Lose 500 four times a month, don't pay the mortgage and continue to not call it gambling.

[17 Josh Allen]

Your wrong

[Maury Ballstein]

Your wrong

Your wrong

Hope this isn't a reply to me. If so please elaborate how gambling isn't gambling.

 

I put up 500.00 my team is one of the 90% that doesn't win, I lost 500.00. GAMBLING.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz

[17 Josh Allen]

Please go back a read my thread A few posts back and read the federal law that President Bush signed

2007 Internet Gambling act law. it excepts Fantasy sports because they do not consider it gambling because it's a skill based game. They made a provision in the federal law to keep fantasy sports legal at the federal level the problem is each state interprets there law in the own way to protect there interests. Daily fantasy sports has been running in NYS since 2009. NYS AG knows this and he takes money from the casino lobby and Indian gambling. now that Daily Fantasy sports has become big, it's now a threat. The only thing that changed in the last few weeks is the NYS AG opnion and him looking out to the gambling operations, Casinos, Indian casinos, Horse Racing and lottery that he took campaign money from. While other states are passing bills to make sure it's legal in there state and so they can get there cut and regulate it and tax it. This guy just shuts it down, please go read my very long post about it a few post up from here.

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[Maury Ballstein]

Please go back a read my thread I few posts up and read the federal law that President Bush signed

2007 Internet Gambling act law. it excepts Fantasy sports because they do not consider it gambling because it's a skill based game. They made a provision in the federal law to keep fantasy sports legal at the federal level the problem is each state interprets the law in the own way to protect the interests. Daily fantasy sports has been running in NYS since 2009. NYS AG knows this and he takes money from the casino lobby and Indian gambling. now that Daily Fantasy sports has become big, it's now a threat. The only thing that changed in the last few weeks is the NYS AG opnion and him looking out to the gambling operations, Casinos, Indian casinos, Horse Racing and lottery that he took campaign money from. While other states are passing bills to make sure it's legal in there state and so they can get there cut and regulate it and tax it. This guy just shuts it down, please go read my very long post about it a few post up from here.

Wagering units of American currency on nfl players stats is skill and not gambling. Ok. Whose the master with all of the "skills". Biff or Nostradamus ?

 

 

I like gambling and think it all should be legal. I play more poker than I probably should and have won and lost a ton betting NFL.

 

It is gambling period. Spare me the legal mumbo jumbo which is now under fire as the "skill" aspect is flimsy at best

[17 Josh Allen]

 

Again you have no idea what your talking about. read the federal law that excepts Fantasy Football because it's skill based. President bush signed the law it's legal to play in 44 states. Now because it's gotten big the states want a cut of the action. I dare you to read what really is going on and get your head out of the sand.

 

 

Massachusetts attorney general proposes broad regulations on DFS sites

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/19/massachusetts-attorney-general-proposes-broad-regulations-dfs-sites/

 

Draft kings law suit against NYS AG

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf

 

fab duels law suit against NYS AG

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/fanduel-doc-3.pdf

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/19/should-gambling-on-fantasy-football-be-legal/

 

read this first so you understand the federal law and how it's legal and why it's not gambling it's a contest that's skill based

https://ecolawgical.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/fantasy-games-and-their-exemption-from-the-status-of-online-gambling/

 

 

Wagering units of American currency on nfl players stats is skill and not gambling. Ok. Whose the master with all of the "skills". Biff or Nostradamus ?

I like gambling and think it all should be legal. I play more poker than I probably should and have won and lost a ton betting NFL.

It is gambling period. Spare me the legal mumbo jumbo which is now under fire as the "skill" aspect is flimsy at best

[Maury Ballstein]

Again you have no idea what your talking about. read the federal law that excepts Fantasy Football because it's skill based. President bush signed the law it's legal to play in 44 states. Now because it's gotten big the states want a cut of the action. I dare you to read what really is going on and get your head out of the sand.

Massachusetts attorney general proposes broad regulations on DFS siteshttp://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/19/massachusetts-attorney-general-proposes-broad-regulations-dfs-sites/

Draft kings law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf

fab duels law suit against NYS AG http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/fanduel-doc-3.pdfhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/19/should-gambling-on-fantasy-football-be-legal/

read this first so you understand the federal law and how it's legal and why it's not gambling it's a contest that's skill based https://ecolawgical.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/fantasy-games-and-their-exemption-from-the-status-of-online-gambling/

wonderful, now good luck to you not losing money aka gambling when you play your game of skill.

 

Bwahahaha. Believe what they tell you.

[bobobonators]

Wagering units of American currency on nfl players stats is skill and not gambling. Ok. Whose the master with all of the "skills". Biff or Nostradamus ?

 

 

I like gambling and think it all should be legal. I play more poker than I probably should and have won and lost a ton betting NFL.

 

It is gambling period. Spare me the legal mumbo jumbo which is now under fire as the "skill" aspect is flimsy at best

 

The skill aspect is not flimsy at best b/c "skill" is specifically mentioned as one of the reasons why joining a fantasy prize league is legal under the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006:

 

"All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events."

 

Daily fantasy leagues comply with the Act's requirement that no winning outcome be based on:

 

`(aa) on the score, point-spread, or any performance or performances of any single real-world team or any combination of such teams; or

`(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.

 

So federally they appear to be clear..the dog and pony show with NYS will eventually come to an end, considering the amount of professional sports teams that NY has and its high population.

Edited November 19, 2015 by bobobonators

[17 Josh Allen]

I find this very funny

 

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/18/tout-site-offers-100k-to-nyc-public-schools-if-ag-can-beat-a-daily-fantasy-professional/

 

just a small little sample of the article click on link above to read the whole article

 

 

Rankled by the New York Attorney General’s assertion that daily fantasy sports is a “contest of chance” and therefore illegal gambling, Doug Norrie and James Davis have issued a challenge to the AG in the form of an old-fashioned wager.

 

If Attorney General Eric Schneiderman can beat a daily fantasy professional, they’ll donate $100,000 to New York City Public Schools.

 

“Attorney General Schneiderman’s claim that daily fantasy is not a game of skill was so absurd that we knew we had to call him out in some way,” said Davis, who along with Norrie operates DailyFantasySportsRankings.com, a site that offers DFS recommendations. “We wanted to make an offer good enough to at least get his attention to the issue, so we settled on offering $100,000 to New York City Public Schools (or a charity of his choice) if he were interested in backing up his claim. We are certain that he’d have something like a zero percent chance of beating an actual DFS pro over a 100-contest sample, so it never felt very risky to us.”

[reddogblitz]

Pretty good odds I would imagine you could turn that into like 2 million based off the TV adds.

Pick your players, then pick up your cash.

[Maury Ballstein]

The skill aspect is not flimsy at best b/c "skill" is specifically mentioned as one of the reasons why joining a fantasy prize league is legal under the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006:

 

"All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events."

 

Daily fantasy leagues comply with the Act's requirement that no winning outcome be based on:

 

`(aa) on the score, point-spread, or any performance or performances of any single real-world team or any combination of such teams; or

`(bb) solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.

 

So federally they appear to be clear..the dog and pony show with NYS will eventually come to an end, considering the amount of professional sports teams that NY has and its high population.

Cool. But let's face some hard facts. What is the guy who lost 20,000 playing games of skill going to say when his wife leaves him ?

 

I wasn't gambling baby. It was a game of skill ! I'm not a gambler !

[bobobonators]

Cool. But let's face some hard facts. What is the guy who lost 20,000 playing games of skill going to say when his wife leaves him ?

 

I wasn't gambling baby. It was a game of skill ! I'm not a gambler !

 

 

LMAO..i hear ya. All I'm saying is that the federal government specifically carved out fantasy sports from the Act, partly b/c they viewed it as a game of skill...which goes directly against what this clown in NY is saying.

 

I'd personally rather be on the side of the Feds when it comes to these kinds of matters. Now, I no longer live in NY so I don't care, but there are too many people in NY, and too many professional sports teams in NY and thus too much interest in fantasy sports in NY, for this clown to fight the "skill" argument when the federal government specifically states in the Act that fantasy leagues are not a problem. Maybe this would fly in Montana with a population of 20 people and no professional sports teams..but this guy is fighting an uphill battle in NY and will probably ultimately suffer for it.

Edited November 19, 2015 by bobobonators

[17 Josh Allen]

it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will start with isn't that really a chance gambling play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. In Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players to form your line up with based on your research ( Not like poker where you have no choice with the cards your delt) and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm.

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[Maury Ballstein]

it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will star with that is really a chance play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. in Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players form your line up based on your research and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm.

First off I'll wax your arse, and win or lose it won't prove anything.

 

I don't eat ramen soup and I don't "gamble" for 1 dollar

 

Need a few more zeros bro. I'm a gambler and I admit it.

 

Draft kings and fan duel don't get to keep juice or a vig like casinos ? Interesting and false take. They are raking in the cash, and are not a non profit organization. Get real.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz

[17 Josh Allen]

LMAO..i hear ya. All I'm saying is that the federal government specifically carved out fantasy sports from the Act, partly b/c they viewed it as a game of skill...which goes directly against what this clown in NY is saying.

 

I'd personally rather be on the side of the Feds when it comes to these kinds of matters. Now, I no longer live in NY so I don't care, but there are too many people in NY, and too many professional sports teams in NY and thus too much interest in fantasy sports in NY, for this clown to fight the "skill" argument when the federal government specifically states in the Act that fantasy leagues are not a problem. Maybe this would fly in Montana with a population of 20 people and no professional sports teams..but this guy is fighting an uphill battle in NY and will probably ultimately suffer for it.

it's a contest that you win money in. Gambling is betting on point spreads and if a team wins or loses. Then when it's over and you lose the casino keeps your money. Fan Duel and Draft Kings does not do that. why don't you get this, it's takes skill to win, to research and make good lineups. let's play a game this week right on this forum using your lineup and my lineup. I will enter both line ups in a 1 dollar contest then I will take screen shots to show the outcome from Draft kings, what do you say smarty pants. no money just a chance to show you you have no idea what the hell your talking about. In Poker you get random cards delt from a deck you have no choice which cards you will start with isn't that really a chance gambling play, then you adjust your way of betting or thinking based on the cards that a delt to you or then flopped during the contest or poker hand. In Fantasy sports you and only you decide which players to form your line up with based on your research ( Not like poker where you have no choice with the cards your delt) and skill of what the best match ups are and how it will construct a good line up to win against other contestants and not the casino or house. So what do you say want to make a fool of your self in this fourm.

Edited by billsareback, Today, 01:08 PM.

First off I'll wax your arse, and win or lose it won't prove anything.

I don't eat ramen soup and I don't "gamble" for 1 dollar

Need a few more zeros bro. I'm a gambler and I admit it.

Draft kings and fan duel don't get to keep juice or a vig like casinos ? Interesting and false take. They are raking in the cash, and are not a non profit organization. Get real.

your just plain stupid, you couldn't beat me even if you had help a IBM super Computer you maybe good at poker but your Azzz is mine when it comes to Daily Fantasy football. So go run your mouth some where else like a poker fourm.

I feel a serious beat down coming in a daily fantasy football contest I'm just waiting for this clown to step up to the plate and stop his crying.

why don't you go get your fake poker chips out and go play some poker with you over weight beer guzzling buddies and stop talking about daily

fantasy sports that you know nothing about and have never tried. You NO NOTHING

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[reddogblitz]

You NO NOTHING

 

You can't make this **** up.

[jimmy10]

Pick your players, then pick up your cash.

Yup. Like Bill Burr said, buy her dinner, take her to a movie and... well, you know... every single time!

 

I'm glad the AG stepped in. A lot of people question whether or not these games are on the level.

 

Now if only they would bring back 3 Card Monty... Pick the red card, it's totally not hard!

[Maury Ballstein]

your just plain stupid, you couldn't beat me even if you had help a IBM super Computer you maybe good at poker but your Azzz is mine when it comes to Daily Fantasy football. So go run your mouth some where else like a poker fourm.

I feel a serious beat down coming in a daily fantasy football contest I'm just waiting for this clown to step up to the plate and stop his crying.why don't you go get your fake poker chips out and go play some poker with you over weight beer guzzling buddies and stop talking about daily

fantasy sports that you know nothing about and have never tried. You NO NOTHING

Sounds like those repetitive commercials brainwashed someone. Fantasy football is now the game the intellects play ? Lo freaking L

 

You have another beer. I'm not a big fan. I'm into the skinny hot girls who push me into the wine/cheese and crackers game baby.

 

YOU NO NOTHING !!

Yup. Like Bill Burr said, buy her dinner, take her to a movie and... well, you know... every single time!

I'm glad the AG stepped in. A lot of people question whether or not these games are on the level.

Now if only they would bring back 3 Card Monty... Pick the red card, it's totally not hard!

Bill burr destroyed draftkings. They stopped their sponsorship of him after paying him to trash them for weeks

Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz

[17 Josh Allen]

How about you guys that are against daily fantasy football please read up about it a little more. instead of listening to what the main stream media jams down your throat. Daily Fantasy sports has been running legally in 45 states and NYS since 2009. it is covered and except under the 2006 Internet Gambling Act a federal law that says Fatasy sports is a Skill based contest, it's not considered gambling under the law and it's considered a contest that is skilled based. The was passed so millions of players can continue to play for money season long leagues and daily So fantasy sports was excepted under this new federal law that president bush signed back in 2006.

why don't you guys get this. Yes I agree it should be regulated and taxed. But why be a Dick like The NYS AG and shut it down when there is a Bill

pending in NYS that will get finished in Jan. Then you have all these other states passing bills to get there cut and we have are Attorney General who is taking campaign contributions from casino and gaming interest and now he has a change of mind after 6 years a these company's doing business 1 mile from his office in his state. Give me a break.

 

read the stories people wake up and no that this is political in nature and what's going on is he wants it shut down so we can keep playing lotto, scratch offs, OTB horse race betting, state sponsor casinos that give kick backs to the state of NY and the Indian Gambling interests. Now that this has become a big billion dollar industry

they fear the competion. I thought we lived in

America not Russia.

 

http://dkplayersalliance.com/category/player-stories/

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[Rubes]

 

[KD in CA]

 

The skill aspect is not flimsy at best b/c "skill" is specifically mentioned as one of the reasons why joining a fantasy prize league is legal under the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006:

"All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events."

 

Come on...you're intelligent enough to understand the reason that law essentially banned online poker but exempted fantasy sports had nothing to do with anything other than the influence of the financial backers of each of those particular industries. There is no way picking a fantasy team involves more skill than playing poker.

 

Like everything else that law was a giveaway to special interests. It should not be used as a justification for anything other than our bankrupt system of government.

[17 Josh Allen]

I saw that video I find it very funny and he makes some good points. So enjoy it the fake commercial at the end made me laugh hard. Daily Fantasy sports should not be banned it should be regulated and taxed. For us guys and gals that want to play. Lots not pretend that political things are in play and the NYS AG is trying to get his 10 minutes of fame. I feel he is wrong and while all the other states around NYS will or are passing bills to regulate it and get a cut of the action for the tax payers this NYS AG is being a jerk

 

now go one state over look what the Mass AG

is proposing and wants Daily Fantasy sports

to be ok in her state with some regulations.

 

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/2015/11/19/massachusetts-attorney-general-proposes-broad-regulations-dfs-sites/

 

So I guess all the other states will collect tax revenue but us New Yorkers will be on a island of are own. No daily Fantasy for you New Yorker

 

What a F#%king Joke

[bobobonators]

 

Come on...you're intelligent enough to understand the reason that law essentially banned online poker but exempted fantasy sports had nothing to do with anything other than the influence of the financial backers of each of those particular industries. There is no way picking a fantasy team involves more skill than playing poker.

 

Like everything else that law was a giveaway to special interests. It should not be used as a justification for anything other than our bankrupt system of government.

 

Whatever the reasoning may be is irrelevant; the fact is that the word "skill" is specifically mentioned in the Act.

[17 Josh Allen]

Hey guys I would concede this if you put money up against 2 ants moving on a side walk to see which ant who would get to the other side first and we bet 1 dollar on it, that would be gambling. I agree were are playing for money when we play fantasy sports. But just like the stock market that is skilled based we must look at histories and yearly reports and new product lines and make a good decision to weather we want to buy the stock because we think it will pay off. The same goes for Fantasy Sports we look at trends, match ups, injuries, who is guarding them, what is the defensive ranking of the slot corner vs the slot receiver your picking, hot streaks if there playing in back to back games like in the NBA or NHL.

Making good line-ups that can win takes work and hours of it. Sure anyone can guess but if you want to win and make money it takes lots of research and work. If i decide to invest in a player then Im picking him just just like I am picking a stock. It's really speculation at its best. Not everyone is good at investing in stocks and not everyone is good in Daily Fantasy Sports. No one is forcing anyone to play. We live in America it's a free society we all have to make choices on how we spend are money. When you do buy stocks they charge a fee. When you play daily fantasy sports they charge a fee so your contest can be run properly. In stocks the fee is so the trade or transaction can be made. Why not follow the federal law that says it's legal and then regulate and tax it just like we do with horse racing and the casinos and such. Other states are passing bills and will reap the rewards. How can the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL sponsor these companies. Why because they do not see it as gambling. It's promoting there players and there statistics.

You have players on your or my Fantasy sports team that are from every team in the NFL . There is no reason to ban this activity. It does not matter what the out come of let's say the Bills beating the pats, or if so and so covered the point spread. That's more like gambling and its determined by a out come of a real NFL game. This fantasy stuff drives ratings, it's good for all involved who like it or helps promote there players. I say regulate it so people feel safe playing it and tax it.I for one love playing it's a lot of fun and it really makes watch all sports a lot more fun. Nothing like playing a $3.00 contest on Draftkings in a NBA contest with thousands of other contestants and if my line up is good and I

do well I could win $15k for 1st place.

it's $3.00 and like the action and it's fun to then go watch all the NBA games on NBA league pass

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[KD in CA]

 

Whatever the reasoning may be is irrelevant; the fact is that the word "skill" is specifically mentioned in the Act.

 

Well unfortunately for FD and DK, states get to make laws too so what is irrelevant here is this poorly conceived federal Act you keep referring to.

 

There is some mix of skill and luck involved in virtually all gambling, be it blackjack, poker, picking football winners, or setting a fantasy lineup. To declare one is fundamentally different from the others is absurd.

 

You want to make them all legal, that's fine with me. But let's not pretend the laws have been constructed with anything but the lawmakers' best interests in mind.

[clownments22]

Part of the problem for me is the amount of money that's being tossed around and whether or not it will come around to eventually effect the integrity of the game. I heard on sports talk radio that it was estimated that 95 BILLION dollars will trade hands in NFL gambling this year.

 

A lot of guys have made the point of "I'm only putting in 2 bucks to try to make 25K" etc. which is all well and good. What concerns me is the people putting in 2 million a week or whatever. It just seems like the amounts that are at stake could come around to effecting outcomes of games, players/coaches being bought, etc.

Edited November 19, 2015 by clownments22

[17 Josh Allen]

if this goes to court I bet Fan Duel and Draft Kings will win. The NYS AG arguement that season long fantasy football and daily fantasy football are different is wrong. Both take money from contestants to play. Both pay out monies to the winners. CBS sportsline cost $125.00 to have them administer and run the contest for my work league. Fan duel takes $1.00 to run my $10.00head to head contest. One contest just happens to to end quicker. over 50 million people play fantasy sports many in season long leagues with money exchanging hands. In a court of Law this whole thing will be proven to be one and the same. Do you really think they will shut it down when the states can regulate it and take there cut.

That's why the NYS AG move in lew of a Fantasy Sports Bill that is all ready mostly done and will be finished when the NYS legislature comes back into session in so weird. He's on the wrong side of this. Other states are already passing bills or about to pass bills that will regulate this industry. it will help the tax payers of there states. Meanwhile The NYS AG is trying to make political points because he thinks he is going to run for NYS Gov It's really quite amazing how he got where he's at. Read this Law suit by Draft kings against NY state and the AG. Is all this really worth all this when NYS bill will pass in the late winter or early spring and it's legal in 44 other states backed by s federal bill that was passed through congress that

President George Bush signed into in 2006.

 

READ LINK BELOW IF YOU GOT THE GUTS

 

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[What a Tuel]

Sorry but yearly and weekly fantasy leagues are vastly different. You have to manage your team for the long run in one, and the other you pick players you think will do well and hope you get lucky. Anyone who has played both knows the difference. Not to mention you are dumping hundreds of dollars a week into year long fantasy leagues. You pay an entry fee, and 4 months later you get a pay out.

[17 Josh Allen]

go read my link to the law suit draft kings is suing the NYS AG. I played season long for 20 years it's the same as far as monies are collected to play a contes both do this. Monies are payed out when the contest is over. Both do this, when I play on draft kings I'm not playing against the company I'm playing another person like I do in my work league. Your confusing it because daily fantasy sports moves quicker. In season long we paid CBS sports line $125.00 so we could run are league. In draft kings I pay play $10.00 head to head with you if I win I win $19.00 from you. not draft kings. So draft kings gets a dollar for admin the contest just like CBS sportsline gets $125.00 per work league to run there league and get real time stats and up date and change line ups. Trust me it's the same one just is a shorter time period. The NYS AG argument will never hold up in court.

 

Read this so you understand

 

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf

 

the other thing you said is you got to get lucky because it's season long and your stuck

with the players you drafted and if you not good at trading and cutting players and free agent pick ups you won't do well. you just proved my point in your statement daily fantasy

football is more of a skill based game it takes a lot more work and study to make good lineups and compete to win contests. That's why the 2006 Fed law exempted fantasy sports

as skill based because they new it was not as simple as betting lets say bills vs Giants or over or under the total with. In Fantasy sports you have players from every team,lots of study and skill is needed to do well and it does not matter who wins the NFL game in real life.

 

 

Sorry but yearly and weekly fantasy leagues are vastly different. You have to manage your team for the long run in one, and the other you pick players you think will do well and hope you get lucky. Anyone who has played both knows the difference. Not to mention you are dumping hundreds of dollars a week into year long fantasy leagues. You pay an entry fee, and 4 months later you get a pay out.

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[Maury Ballstein]

/thread

 

Last 3 mins of video Rubes added.

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJ453REQhys

[17 Josh Allen]

Hey Ryan why don't you go troll on a poker fourm

and do us all a favor. you just want to be a debbie downer. must suck to be you.

 

/thread

 

Last 3 mins of video Rubes added.

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJ453REQhys

[reddogblitz]

 

 

Broadway Joe nails it at 4:10.

 

This is the new business model for the 21st century Take something that's not really legal for you to sell, and redefine it yourself and not say what it really is and run with it. Like Uber is not a taxi service, it's a "ride sharing service".

[Maury Ballstein]

Hey Ryan why don't you go troll on a poker fourm

and do us all a favor. you just want to be a debbie downer. must suck to be you.

 

Watch the video, you're the guy in the bar. So my money is tied into how athletes play ? Now that I say it out loud it sounds just like gambling !! Lol.

 

 

Once again. I am in favor of gambling. Pull the wool from over your eyes and spare me this game of skill horsecrap.

 

And yes reddog. Broadway Joe nailed it, couldn't be simpler. Not sure what in tarnations billsareback is getting fired up about. It's pretty cut and clear.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz

[What a Tuel]

go read my link to the law suit draft kings is suing the NYS AG. I played season long for 20 years it's the same as far as monies are collected to play a contes both do this. Monies are payed out when the contest is over. Both do this, when I play on draft kings I'm not playing against the company I'm playing another person like I do in my work league. Your confusing it because daily fantasy sports moves quicker. In season long we paid CBS sports line $125.00 so we could run are league. In draft kings I pay play $10.00 head to head with you if I win I win $19.00 from you. not draft kings. So draft kings gets a dollar for admin the contest just like CBS sportsline gets $125.00 per work league to run there league and get real time stats and up date and change line ups. Trust me it's the same one just is a shorter time period. The NYS AG argument will never hold up in court.

 

Read this so you understand

 

http://dailyfantasytalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/DK-TRO.pdf

 

the other thing you said is you got to get lucky because it's season long and your stuck

with the players you drafted and if you not good at trading and cutting players and free agent pick ups you won't do well. you just proved my point in your statement daily fantasy

football is more of a skill based game it takes a lot more work and study to make good lineups and compete to win contests. That's why the 2006 Fed law exempted fantasy sports

as skill based because they new it was not as simple as betting lets say bills vs Giants or over or under the total with. In Fantasy sports you have players from every team,lots of study and skill is needed to do well and it does not matter who wins the NFL game in real life.

 

I think you need to take a step back and look at the spirit of the anti gambling laws. It isn't just a matter of if it is gambling or not, it is about the effect on society. I have no doubt that DFS were growing unchecked, and way too much money was trading hands daily which is triggering this response. The allegations of people cheating didn't help either.

 

As for your link, it is DraftKings legal response, of course it will be full of exploited loopholes and taking apart the AG's statements in a convincing manner. The lawyer that wrote it, wouldn't be doing his job if it wasn't.

DraftKings Is Not Engaged In "Gambling" Under New York Law. "A person engages in gambling when he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome." N.Y. Penal Law § 225.00(2). DraftKings is not running a "gambling" business because paying an entry fee to compete for a prize does not constitute "stak[ing] or risk[ing] something of value." And even if it did, the statute does not apply because DraftKings runs contests of skill, not "contest of chance." Nor do the outcomes of DraftKings' contests depend on a "future contingent event" outside the contestant's control or influence.

The whole "paying an entry fee" rubs me the wrong way. As if we all don't know that our entry is part of the pool of money from other people, and that the pool of money is distributed to the winner based on the outcome of football games. The bolded is straight up BS.

Edited November 19, 2015 by What a Tuel

[KD in CA]

/thread

 

Last 3 mins of video Rubes added.

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJ453REQhys

 

(12:30) 007 -- Aversion to Violence

 

And yes, Broadway Joe defines it like a child would. Sometimes things are as obvious as they seem.

[17 Josh Allen]

You mean like the stock market and day trading and lots of money changing hands with insider trading. Yes I agree it should be regulated and taxed. So let's be the only state to not profit from this. Great idea I want this guy to be are next GOV I can't wait to get fu#k out of this state. It's no wonder we are losing jobs and industry. It's this kind of backward ass thinking that has us where we are today. This has been running daily fantasy sports in his state NY for six years since 2009 and not one peep from him. So he wasn't doing his job the last six years. this was happening 1 mile from his office in NYC. Now he gets a hard on. Do you think it might have anything to do with the campaign contributions he took from special interest the casino lobby and Indian gambling might have something to do with it. Boy I think I'll go down to my local OTB and bet the ponies on my way back I will stop at the Indian casino and play some slots. Then to top it off I will buy $100 in scratch offs. But god forbid I play 3 dollars on Fan duel in NYS. all the while the guy New Jersey can log on and play his 3 dollars on fan duels computer servers at located in NYC. but if your from NY you better not it will corrupt you it gambling. is this really fair or real WTF

Edited November 19, 2015 by billsareback

[Maury Ballstein]

https://www.fanduel.com/games/13586/contests/13586-18882399/enter

 

Good luck beating this, I would kill you with the Kamar Aiken value pick.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Ryan L Billz

[17 Josh Allen]

Ryan good job buddy taking joy out of some ones

sarrow and passion. please if I'm dying in a ditch

leave me there and let me be I would never take your extended hand

 

https://www.fanduel.com/games/13586/contests/13586-18882399/enter

 

Good luck beating this, I would kill you with the Kamar Aiken value pick.

[Maury Ballstein]

Ryan good job buddy taking joy out of some ones

sarrow and passion. please if I'm dying in a ditch

leave me there and let me be I would never take your extended hand

 

Dramatic huh ?

[Kelly the Dog]

Broadway Joe nails it at 4:10.

 

This is the new business model for the 21st century Take something that's not really legal for you to sell, and redefine it yourself and not say what it really is and run with it. Like Uber is not a taxi service, it's a "ride sharing service".

That was awesome. Well worth the 20 minutes. John Oliver is terrific and wildly funny sometimes.

 

"It's not hootspa it's horseschit." That chutzpah thing was hysterical.