Dorkington Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Re timing: I'm ok with EJ taking the start again against the Jags. Let Tyrod get fully healthy before putting him back out there, considering the style of QB he is. No need to pull a RGIII. I don't think there's enough of a fall off that it's going to make a big dent in whether we win or lose against the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'd take TT at 90 over EJ at 100... I'd take TT at 80 over EJ at 100. I win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8billsfan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The OP forgot to mention that EJ actually caused Sammy Watkins to injure his ankle yesterday with that horrible, horrible TD throw. How convenient that he left that little morsel out. EJ injures his own teammates. Watkins was open. Yes a low ball but that's Football. He made a good catch but the injury is ridiculous and sucks for Bills fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) The OP forgot to mention that EJ actually caused Sammy Watkins to injure his ankle yesterday with that horrible, horrible TD throw. How convenient that he left that little morsel out. EJ injures his own teammates. Not like that throw to Watkins TT made at the end of the Patriots game that he had to leap up ten feet even to be able to touch. leaving him hung out to dry for the safety. I'm not saying EJ played great. But the double standard of evaluation here is, at the very least, interesting. Edited October 19, 2015 by Dr. K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 or his wife. Fair point. FireChan is to Tyrod Taylor what Miko Grimes is to Brent Grimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) The OP forgot to mention that EJ actually caused Sammy Watkins to injure his ankle yesterday with that horrible, horrible TD throw. How convenient that he left that little morsel out. EJ injures his own teammates. This idea that EJ hurt Sammy is so illogical it is ridiculous. I mean just stupid. The ball was thrown about 30 yards in the air. Sammy was just freelancing and adjusted back to a ball that thrown to space by a QB on the run. It was a few feet away from him. Pro WRs make that play routinely adjusting to a ball thrown in to space. Just stop it. Edited October 19, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 TT and its not even close. Finally the Bills decided to throw the ball v Cincy. Ej had like 42 attempts. The the previous two games we refused to pass untill the 4th. Tyrod had 17 or 18 attempts in each game I think. When the runs sucks we need to throw is 35 times a game. That includes more swing passes to McCoy and Harvin which is something Tyrod does as well as any QB in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm convinced some people don't watch the games, they just obsess over meaningless stats... When the game is on the line in the 4th quarter, which one makes plays and which one folds like a cheap lawn chair? Tyrod single-handedly won the game in Tennessee. The stat line wasn't pretty, but so what. Wins and losses are all that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) So it seems like EJ didn't impress enough for anyone to talk about him being the starter when Taylor returns from injury. I would argue that 1. there was zero drop off in overall production from the QB position with EJ in. 2. EJ actually had the best total passing yards in a Bills game this season. 3. EJ gets sacked once every 21 attempts and Tyrod has been sacked once per every 9.8 attempts 4. Tyrod loses on average 7.14 yards per sack and EJ has averaged 3.5 yards lost per sack 5. EJ had at least 6 completions to WRs in this game. Tyrod has struggled to hit WRs. Last game our top two wideo outs had 1 catch 6. EJ also made plays with his feet albeit less exciting ones but he got a TD and a bug first down when needed. 7. While the Bills went 3 and out an embarrassing 50% of the time under EJ, they did the same thing against the Titans under Tyrod and Taylor did even worse against the Giants where the Bills were 57% 3 and out. See my post above. Its easy to get more passing yard when the coaching staff calls 40% more pass plays per game. I think the Coachs learned their lesson - we arent a running team. EJ just happened to be the QB when they finally changed their tune Edited October 19, 2015 by peterpan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's the accuracy that does EJ in. He will never be a starter in the NFL (or even a quality back-up) if he can't be more accurate. Just about every crossing throw was like 2 yards behind the receiver. Accuracy & decision making. 2 plays sums up why Manuel will never be a starter in this league. 1st one was the throw to Clay across the middle. Clay made a shoestring catch but honestly EJ can't hit the guy in stride. He would of had another 15-20 yards. The next play I am talking about aggravated me the most. It was like 3rd & 4 he had Mccoy wide open underneath. It was right in front of him. Would of been an easy dump off over the middle & Mccoy could of turned it up & got at least 8-9 yards & moved the sticks. Manuel decides instead to throw it down the seam into double coverage & of course it gets picked off. I don't know if TT will ever be a franchise QB but he is light years better than EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Is Fred Jackson still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 TT and its not even close. Finally the Bills decided to throw the ball v Cincy. Ej had like 42 attempts. The the previous two games we refused to pass untill the 4th. Tyrod had 17 or 18 attempts in each game I think. When the runs sucks we need to throw is 35 times a game. That includes more swing passes to McCoy and Harvin which is something Tyrod does as well as any QB in football. Doesn't your post point to possible a weakness with Tyrod then those past 2 games? Why weren't they throwing the ball more to the TE's? If people choose to use the excuse that it was because Sammy wasn't on the field then I might suggest that they think hard for a better excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's the accuracy that does EJ in. He will never be a starter in the NFL (or even a quality back-up) if he can't be more accurate. Just about every crossing throw was like 2 yards behind the receiver. This. Manuel was accurate on about half of his throws. The others were either injury-bait for his receivers because they had to adjust quickly to where the ball was instead of where it should have been, or because they had to move into harm's way; or they were too far away from where they should have been for even a professional receiver to adjust to (starting with the first little dump-off pass that was too short to be caught); or simply intercepted. TT is accurate on a much higher percentage of throws. I think at least 85 percent of his passes hit the receiver in stride. Both have strong arms, decently quick releases, nice touch on soft passes. Manuel is simply not consistent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Doesn't your post point to possible a weakness with Tyrod then those past 2 games? Why weren't they throwing the ball more to the TE's? If people choose to use the excuse that it was because Sammy wasn't on the field then I might suggest that they think hard for a better excuse. Im not sure what you mean by throw the ball to the TEs more? I didnt say they should do that? Before the season the coaches said we wanted to run it 40+ times a game. I think the coaches finally learned their lesson agaisnt the Titans - we aren't good enough to run block. So we came out with the mindset of we have to pass to win. I dont think the coaches feel more comfortable with EJ throwing it 40 times rather than TT throwing it 40 times. If that were true I think EJ would be the starter. I am really looking forward to TT tossing it 40 times a game. I think that kid will drop bombs on people. Especially if we ever get Harvin and Watkins healthy. Accuracy & decision making. 2 plays sums up why Manuel will never be a starter in this league. 1st one was the throw to Clay across the middle. Clay made a shoestring catch but honestly EJ can't hit the guy in stride. He would of had another 15-20 yards. The next play I am talking about aggravated me the most. It was like 3rd & 4 he had Mccoy wide open underneath. It was right in front of him. Would of been an easy dump off over the middle & Mccoy could of turned it up & got at least 8-9 yards & moved the sticks. Manuel decides instead to throw it down the seam into double coverage & of course it gets picked off. I don't know if TT will ever be a franchise QB but he is light years better than EJ. EJ also had woods or maybe it was Watkins wide open on the other side of the field for a 50 yard gain. The reason he was double covered was bc the Safety played over that way, leaving the WR on the other side wide open on a fade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Re timing: I'm ok with EJ taking the start again against the Jags. Let Tyrod get fully healthy before putting him back out there, considering the style of QB he is. No need to pull a RGIII. I don't think there's enough of a fall off that it's going to make a big dent in whether we win or lose against the Jags. Or maybe you dress Tyrod and only put him in if EJ can't produce vs the jags, hopefully even the EJ led bills can top the jags... Then you've got Tyrod back after a full four weeks off. Is Fred Jackson still available? Will likely be soon as he is descending down the depth chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Can't we just be happy that we have 2 QBs that are playing well enough to win games when our Defense decides to show up and Jerry Hughes doesn't take stupid penalties? It's not Tyrod vs EJ. The question should be "Can Tyrod and EJ be good enough to get this team to the playoffs?" Because we need both to play well. Tyrod has earned the starting job. EJ was not spectacular yesterday but he made some plays. Think of it this way: Would the Patriots have beaten Cincinnati without Brady, Gronk, Edelman, Blount, Vollmer and McCourty? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Do we win the Titans game with EJ? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) I want EJM to start against the Jags. It is the perfect chance to let Tyrod get healthy. Of course, what I expect to happen is for Tyrod to take most of the 1st team reps, rush back, reinjure his leg during the Jags game, and be replaced by an EJM that hasn't been prepared. Do we win the Titans game with EJ? No.You dont know how the game would have unfolded if EJM started. Edited October 19, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I want EJM to start against the Jags. It is the perfect chance to let Tyrod get healthy. Of course, what I expect to happen is for Tyrod to take most of the 1st team reps, rush back, reinjure his leg during the Jags game, and be replaced by EJM that hasn't been prepared. You dont know how the game would have unfolded if EJM started. People love to make up stats and results for players that didn't play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Do we win the Titans game with EJ? No. You have all the questions and all the answers. You don't even need us. Edited October 19, 2015 by fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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