Coach Tuesday Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 You've provided zero evidence that the fourth quarter scrambled couldn't have been avoided. That's correct, because you know quite well it's completely impossible to provide "evidence" of an alternative reality. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 If it was so critical then why did our quarterback throw six yards short of the sticks on 3 and 11? Amen. That play sums it up. Receiver never had a chance surrounded by three defenders. EJ Blows. Desperately need a 1st down and he vomits that 6 yard pass. As I have said in previous threads EJ looks good against backups and third string players. Why? Because he is a third string QB. (Well not in Whaley's Opinion) He is IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 That's correct, because you know quite well it's completely impossible to provide "evidence" of an alternative reality. Please. Sure, so then continue to ignore the reality we did witness: four straight three and outs in the first half. There's a thing called opportunity cost, but it requires you to imagine what might have happened, a thousand apologies if that lift is too heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 It was first and 20 from the 25. Third and 11 from the 34, hardly heels on the endzone. But, again, if they do ANYTHING in the first half, they're not in this hole to begin with. You've provided zero evidence that the fourth quarter scrambled couldn't have been avoided. No evidence of the fourth quarter scramble being avoided? I have no idea what you are talking about. Which is probably for the better as we are talking past each other. I will just say it is a bit more nuanced than simply, "EJ sucks." Apologies for the confusion on the yard markers. I got my holding penalties confused. The holding penalty on the KO gave us a drive start at the 14, while the one on Woods a few plays later put us on the 24. A bit more room, but a first and 20 is still not a given. I can at least understand erring on the side of caution with so much time remaining in that situation. Sure seems like you expected a lot out of the very QB you say sucks, though. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Sure, so then continue to ignore the reality we did witness: four straight three and outs in the first half. There's a thing called opportunity cost, but it requires you to imagine what might have happened, a thousand apologies if that lift is too heavy. So does that mean TT stinks out loud too? Because we've seen loads of 3 and outs with him too. Yet he's considered the savior and EJ a bum. There appears to be a double standard here. Amen. That play sums it up. Receiver never had a chance surrounded by three defenders. EJ Blows. Desperately need a 1st down and he vomits that 6 yard pass. As I have said in previous threads EJ looks good against backups and third string players. Why? Because he is a third string QB. (Well not in Whaley's Opinion) He is IMO! I've seen TT throw short of the sticks on 3rd down as well. In fact, I've seen pretty much every QB in the league do it. If it's not there down field they throw short and hope their guy can break a tackle or make a play instead of risking a turnover. It's what they're supposed to do. If they didn't want QBs throwing short of the sticks to be an option the WR wouldn't run a route short of the sticks. It's a check down that's supposed to be there just in case. Now, if someone can provide proof that another option was open on that particular play then THAT is the criticism, not throwing short of the sticks. But don't let these things get in the way of a could old fashion witch hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 No evidence of the fourth quarter scramble being avoided? I have no idea what you are talking about. Which is probably for the better as we are talking past each other. I will just say it is a bit more nuanced than simply, "EJ sucks." Apologies for the confusion on the yard markers. I got my holding penalties confused. The holding penalty on the KO gave us a drive start at the 14, while the one on Woods a few plays later put us on the 24. A bit more room, but a first and 20 is still not a given. I can at least understand erring on the side of caution with so much time remaining in that situation. Sure seems like you expected a lot out of the very QB you say sucks, though. GO BILLS!!! Admittedly, I did expect a lot. Then he proved he still sucks. So does that mean TT stinks out loud too? Because we've seen loads of 3 and outs with him too. Yet he's considered the savior and EJ a bum. There appears to be a double standard here. I've seen TT throw short of the sticks on 3rd down as well. In fact, I've seen pretty much every QB in the league do it. If it's not there down field they throw short and hope their guy can break a tackle or make a play instead of risking a turnover. It's what they're supposed to do. If they didn't want QBs throwing short of the sticks to be an option the WR wouldn't run a route short of the sticks. It's a check down that's supposed to be there just in case. Now, if someone can provide proof that another option was open on that particular play then THAT is the criticism, not throwing short of the sticks. But don't let these things get in the way of a could old fashion witch hunt. It's only a double standard if I let Tyrod Taylor off the hook for the same stuff. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 It's only a double standard if I let Tyrod Taylor off the hook for the same stuff. I don't. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Fair enough. HOWEVER--I don't think K-9 is sitting here telling us that defeat is a foregone conclusion heading into the fourth quarter if TT is the QB. And that's a sentiment I'd share. And that's the difference between him and EJ, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) HOWEVER--I don't think K-9 is sitting here telling us that defeat is a foregone conclusion heading into the fourth quarter if TT is the QB. And that's a sentiment I'd share. And that's the difference between him and EJ, right now. That's where we differ. TT only had the opportunity to make plays vs. the Titans because the D held them to 13 points. Without that, there was no comeback. To think he could somehow will them to score more than 31 points is a fantasy. Aaron Rogers would have had a tough time bringing his team back minus his top two WRs. TT is no Rogers. Edited October 20, 2015 by MDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 That's where we differ. TT only had the opportunity to make plays vs. the Titans because the D held them to 13 points. Without that, there was no comeback. To think he could somehow will them to score more than 31 points is a fantasy. Aaron Rogers would have had a tough time brining his team back minus his top to WRs. TT is no Rogers. He came damn close against NE. But I understand your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 HOWEVER--I don't think K-9 is sitting here telling us that defeat is a foregone conclusion heading into the fourth quarter if TT is the QB. And that's a sentiment I'd share. And that's the difference between him and EJ, right now. Right because EJ hasn't proven to have 4th quarter comebacks ......do you actually listen to yourself.....such a double standard. Good thing everyone didn't think like that about drew brees...or about 1/2 the really good qbs cuz they all stunk their first few years in the league and most of them had better coaches and played all the games in their first 2-3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) HOWEVER--I don't think K-9 is sitting here telling us that defeat is a foregone conclusion heading into the fourth quarter if TT is the QB. And that's a sentiment I'd share. And that's the difference between him and EJ, right now. I can THINK a healthy TT would have made a big difference early on, but that is conjecture, especially in light of his play in the first three quarters in the previous two games. TT also would have been down to having the seventh WR on the depth chart to throw to as well. I am stating unequivocally that he wouldn't have brought us back from being down 20 in the fourth quarter. That is rarified air for even the greatest QBs. GO BILLS!!! Edited October 20, 2015 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 He came damn close against NE. But I understand your point. With his top two WRs and his right tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 FOR GOD'S SAKE, FIX THE TITLE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 With his top two WRs and his right tackle. And a big play by the D causing a turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 With last year's D and Jim Schwartz, the Bills win this game, even with EJ's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Mccoy played Woods Played Watkins Played Which key personnel were out, other than the starting QB? Percy Harvin Karlos Williams Aaron Williams Leodis McKelvin Marcos Easley (ST) Edited October 20, 2015 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Right because EJ hasn't proven to have 4th quarter comebacks ......do you actually listen to yourself.....such a double standard. Good thing everyone didn't think like that about drew brees...or about 1/2 the really good qbs cuz they all stunk their first few years in the league and most of them had better coaches and played all the games in their first 2-3 seasons. Double standard? What the hell are you talking about? When did EJ ever have a fourth quarter comeback of 10+ points to win? The Bills were down 10 when TT scored their first TD with 1:29 to go in the third. I understand TT's technically never had one, but in a smaller sample size, he's at least shown the capacity to do so. To K-9's point, a 17 point 4Q comeback is exceedingly rare. I acknowledge that. TT's skills at least give you a fighter's chance. I don't know what parallel universe you've been living in, but in zero of EJ's 15 starts has he shown the capacity to take over games and be electric. It's simply never happened. He had one game-winning drive against the Panthers in his second career start. A drive that was sustained thanks to a negated interception on a VERY generous PI call. So there's that. With his top two WRs and his right tackle. I wasn't outright disputing his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Percy Harvin Karlos Williams Aaron Williams Marcos Easley (ST) Missing A Williams hurts. I would have liked to see him on that bomb by Dalton. Might have helped. Heck, it took a great play by them even as it was. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Percy Harvin Karlos Williams Aaron Williams Marcos Easley (ST) Neither Williams hasn't played with TT much either. Neither has Harwin. He's played hurt or been out all year. Easley the same. So actually EJ had more weapons than TT in most of his games. EJ did ok for a backup. Now he did his job and didn't completely sh*t the bed as the backup. Now he needs to go back there. Because if he is the starter fulltime because TT is hurt, we are picking top 10 in draft next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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