Albany,n.y. Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 clueless adj : totally uninformed about what is going on; not having even a clue from which to infer what is occurring Unless you have seen JP Losman every day, like the Bills coaches & fellow players have, then you really do not have a clue as to his abilities. Watching him in a few mop up appearances and drawing any conclusion is again, clueless. I must also admit that anyone who supports JP, like I do, is also clueless. However, there are people who are not clueless to the situation. Those people are Sam Wyche, Tom Clements, Mike Mularkey, Tom Donahoe and offensive players like Eric Moulds. Moulds has gone on record with some very positive statements about what he has seen of Losman. If the coaches & GM believe that JP can start next year without the team going backwards, their opinion is a lot more informed than you, me or John Clayton-who has probably seen less of him than anyone here. The informed have basically lived with both JP & Drew for the past year or so. Let's trust their opinions over the clueless bunch (basically all of us) that has formed an opinion, one way or another, with very little information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 clueless adj : totally uninformed about what is going on; not having even a clue from which to infer what is occurring Unless you have seen JP Losman every day, like the Bills coaches & fellow players have, then you really do not have a clue as to his abilities. Watching him in a few mop up appearances and drawing any conclusion is again, clueless. I must also admit that anyone who supports JP, like I do, is also clueless. However, there are people who are not clueless to the situation. Those people are Sam Wyche, Tom Clements, Mike Mularkey, Tom Donahoe and offensive players like Eric Moulds. Moulds has gone on record with some very positive statements about what he has seen of Losman. If the coaches & GM believe that JP can start next year without the team going backwards, their opinion is a lot more informed than you, me or John Clayton-who has probably seen less of him than anyone here. The informed have basically lived with both JP & Drew for the past year or so. Let's trust their opinions over the clueless bunch (basically all of us) that has formed an opinion, one way or another, with very little information. 237133[/snapback] Come on now- Crakur and NJ Sue know way more then Wyche, Mularkey, TD, Clements and Moulds combined :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: to all who refer to JP as JP loserman! Go JP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Come on now- Crakur and NJ Sue know way more then Wyche, Mularkey, TD, Clements and Moulds combined :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: to all who refer to JP as JP loserman! Go JP! 237136[/snapback] I'm sure Sue could help TD manage the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Check out his performance in The preseason game vs. Denver, he looked great for his short stint. In sounds o fhte game, you even hear mike shannahan saying "wow, we really got a football player on our hands..." in regards to Losman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 I'm sure Sue could help TD manage the books. 237185[/snapback] I promise to LMAO at all of you fools when loseman fails like I expect him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 OLD JP ARTICLE Rookie Profiles: J.P. Losman by Tim Secor The best part of fantasy football besides winning championships, for me, is watching film and evaluating talent. I tend to watch a ton of film on the big name players and even more on lesser known players hoping to find those hidden gems that could turn out to be fantasy studs. As the season gets closer and closer, you will hear more and more about players like Ran Carthon and Kerry Colbert. Let’s start out this year’s fantasy profiles with the QB’s. We all know about Eli Manning. He will be an instant fantasy performer and probable stud. Same goes for Ben Roethlisberger, so I will not bore you with a profile that you can read 30 times anywhere around the internet. Ill start out with J.P. Losman, who should lead off the 2nd round as the first QB taken by the Giants if they elect to forego Big Ben or Eli Manning. J.P Losman- Tulane J.P or Jonathan Losman is one of those players that have so much upside; he will probably be drafted a bit higher than he should. That is not to say this kid is overrated, but I think he is a few years away from starting. Last year, Chris Simms of Texas fell to the third round and was drafted by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I feel Simms is better than Losman in many areas, but teams are so enamored with Losman’s arm strength, toughness and mobility, somebody will take him a bit earlier than expected. Losman is also very, very confident and borders on arrogant sometimes, but he is a great teammate to have in the huddle. What type of player is J.P Losman? This kid defines the term “tough”. He is a player who will not let the big hit intimidate him. He is a guy who loves to compete and he wants to be the leader on and off the field. He has a very strong arm, maybe the best in this QB class and some scouts compare his arm to Jeff George’s. George has one of those rare arms that only come around once every few years. Losman has that type of ability. He can make any throw possible including the tough deep out pattern that coaches love to use in the NFL. Losman has a very quick release and is ultra competitive. He does need work on his mechanics and his defensive recognition that is why I say he may take a year or two before he starts. He tries to force the ball into places he shouldn’t. If he takes these chances in the NFL, he will lead the league in interceptions every year. Losman was very productive his junior and senior seasons, as a senior, he threw for over 3000-yards with 33 TD’s and 14 int’s. A few of his 14 int’s came on Hail Mary passes at the end of a half, so his interception number is a bit inflated for how well he played. He also rushed for two TD’s as a senior which brought his career rushing TD total to 10. As a junior he threw for just under 2500-yards and 19TD’s. The positive thing to focus on is his improvement from his junior to senior season. I also liked the fact he worked out at the combine. He ran a 4.73 forty yard dash and had a 33” vertical leap. He was also impressive at the Senior Bowl until the game started. He finished the day 5-11 for 53-yards. He didn’t pass the ball well, but he did display a very strong arm and good pocket awareness. What is Losman’s fantasy value? I am not sure Losman has any this year. He could be a guy who starts in 2005 after sitting on the bench a year and learning much like Carson Palmer did his rookie season. I have heard the Bills, Giants, Steelers and Chargers are all interested in this kid. If he goes to any of the teams mentioned, he will be in a great spot to learn and then take over the starting gig in 2005. I think the Chargers are the only team he could start for this year, but that seems like a long shot because they have Eli Manning in their sights. Basically I like Losman as a QB and a competitor. I think he will have a ton of fantasy value next year and definitely the year after. If you have a rookie draft and he goes to a great situation, pick him up and hope for the best. He could be a dynasty league gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Chris simms was drafted in 2003. Was cut by the bucs last year. Last heard he was on the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 My source is ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Here's another old article about JP JP Losman Quarterback - Position Rank: #4 Tulane 6'2" - 217 lbs 4.68 - Pro Day 40 Other than big Ben R-Berger, the quarterback with the most overall athletic ability just might be Tulane's JP Losman. Big and agile, with good speed, Losman can make all the throws and has good accuracy to go along with the all-important ability to maintain that accuracy while on the move. Unfortunately, he doesn't always play like his breakdowns and profiles say he should. He's simply not as productive as he should be. Perhaps that's merely a by-product of playing on a subpar team, but there seems to be something bigger afoot. Something more wrong. Losman might end up a coach-killer, a guy who can have big games, and tease a coach to the ultimate ruin of both careers. See Rob Johnson. by Bradley Warshauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsue Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Just to prove that I am so right. You all are so desperite in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 I promise to LMAO at all of you fools when loseman fails like I expect him to do. 237203[/snapback] Sue I really dont understand your stance here..... Do you just "want to be right" so you hope that Losman will fail? I truly hope that is not the case as you are one of the mainstays on this board Or Do you have some sort of "loyalty" to Drew Bledsoe and dont like the way he is being treated on the board so you fill the need to trash Losman in response.... I WILL say this and I mean no disrespect to you....but YOU HAD BETTER HOPE TO GOD AS A BILLS FAN.....that Losman does in fact turn out to be a good QB for us.....because a. Regardless of what happens with Bledsoe this year.....he hold pretty much no future with the bills. His time is essentially done because even if he stays it will either be in a backup role OR he will get yanked at the first sign of trouble....management has absolutley no confidence in him b. We invested A LOT in John Paul Losman.....just like we did Rob Johnson.....if god forbid he did fall on his face it would set this team back another 3-4 years. As a bills fan I would think you would be rooting for him to succeed. We all want the same thing and that is a ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Yet another JP profile NFL Draft Profile - J.P. Losman Team: Buffalo Bills Round: One Selection: 22 Position: Quarterback School: Tulane Year: Senior Height: 6-2 Weight: 217 High School: Venice (Venice, California) 2003 Second-Team All-Conference USA selection...After finishing with 19 touchdowns and 10 interceptions as a junior, Losman racked up 33 scores and 14 picks as a senior...Threw only 27 interceptions in 987 career passing attempts, the lowest percetage in school history...Losman has an NFL body, as he bench presses 370 pounds and runs a respectable 4.8 40-yard dash...Has a quick release resulting in a tight spiral with plenty of zip...While he has accomplished a great deal, Losman takes well to coaching...Has proven capable of throwing on the run and keeping his poise under pressure...Sometimes holds the ball too long, taking a sack rather than throwing the ball away...Shows a great desire to improve and lead...While not in the upper echelon of QBs (Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers) in this draft, he may be the first one among the second tier signal-callers and may still here his name called in the late first-round, early-second round area. powered by sportsnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Here's another one THE HUDDLE REPORT JP Losman QB Tulane Strengths This kid is one hell of an athlete. He is 6' 3' 210 lbs and runs in the 4.50-4.60 range. He also has a pretty good arm to go along with this talent. If he wanted to, he could play a number of different positions on the pro level. He has so much ability it is a little scary. He is a pretty intelligent kid. His major is in Classical Studies. Hmmm, very interesting. Needs to Improve He does everything right now on athletic talent alone. That won't do it at the next level. He consistently holds on to the ball too long in the passing game. He is inconsistent and sloppy in his mechanics. I do not sense that he is a leader that wants the people around him to be more successful then he is. He does not understand the meaning of team play. Bottom Line This kid has ‘coach killer’ written all over him. You would think with all this talent and brains that this kid would be the next coming of Joe Montana with the brains of Albert Einstein. You would think that he would be rated number one in this draft. You would think that with all the promotion being done by the announcers every time he is on TV that he would be a franchise QB. He isn’t. Why, you ask? He has so much talent it has eroded his ability to learn and grow in the most important aspect he will need in the pros -- his mind. His EGO has made him a mental midget. Now I know that someone is going to come to his defense and say how wonderful he is and what a great leader he is and look at his stats and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They will attack me and ask,”How can you say this? You don't know him.” I see what I see. My opinion is based strictly on his play on the field. His actions on the field speak louder than any information that I have on this kid. The first time I saw this kid play, it was obvious to me that he plays the game with his ego. That would be great if he bothered to include his heart. All the great QB’s have a big ego, but they also play the game with heart. They want to win. I do not think that JP gives a damn about winning, just his stats. How long will it take him to change and will he ever change? I don't think he will. He likes the competition and the recognition, but doesn't have respect for the game. Will a coach ever be able to get through to him? How many coaches will he go through? He will always have good stats because of his athletic talent. He will always sucker a coach into believing he can turn JP around. As far as I’m concerned there are too many good developmental QB`s in this draft to bother with this kid. He is not worth all the problems that I think he will cause. He will have some early success on the field in the NFL, and then he will break your heart. Not mine. On my list, he is rated as the third best QB in the draft but his name is written in red. Green means draft him, yellow means draft with concerns (injury, etc.) and red means STOP -- do not Draft. Drew Boylhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Chris simms was drafted in 2003. Was cut by the bucs last year. Last heard he was on the Redskins. 237208[/snapback] ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Tulane week by week info http://www.cfbnews.com/Conference_USA/2003_Pages/tulane.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Ew.According to this guy, he is another Drew Bledsoe. I'll wait until he plays a full year to judge myself. 237220[/snapback] I mean....he could be totally right but listening to that doesn't it sound a little bias? This guy genuinely doesn't like JPL..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Chris simms was drafted in 2003. Was cut by the bucs last year. Last heard he was on the Redskins. 237208[/snapback] Your source is ESPN? Funny: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/roster?team=tam I hope that your knowledge of your own sources is as accurate as your "guess" on how good Losman will be. Because that would mean JP will be great and the Bills will win plenty of games. The fact that you would root against your own team just to prove someone wrong is...dare I say it...ICE like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Your source is ESPN? Funny: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/roster?team=tam I hope that your knowledge of your own sources is as accurate as your "guess" on how good Losman will be. Because that would mean JP will be great and the Bills will win plenty of games. The fact that you would root against your own team just to prove someone wrong is...dare I say it...ICE like. 237226[/snapback] I am to the point where I think someone has stolen Sue's screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 I am to the point where I think someone has stolen Sue's screen name. 237228[/snapback] I agree. Sue is great for this board, always has been. But her stance here is ridiculous. I understand she likes Drew. Hell, I do to. But there comes a time when you have to face facts. And the writing is on the wall, Drew is done in Buffalo. We can't change it, we're not the one making the decision. And she has every right to B word and complain about it, that's fair. But it's another thing entirely to be SO upset by it you root for your team to fail. I mean, what does that accomplish? Either some one is using her name, or she is drunk from a party...it is 1am afterall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Days Lois & Clark Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 College Football Extras Tulane's Losman one of 2004's top QB prospects By Mike Wilkening (mwilkening@pfwmedia.com) July 18, 2003 J.P. Losman is hard on himself. He believes in himself, but he’s his own biggest critic. Example No. 1: Last year, in his first season as Tulane’s full-time starting quarterback, Losman threw for 2,468 yards with 19 touchdowns and 10 interceptions — enviable numbers for a lot of quarterbacks. Factor in that his WR corps struggled to stay healthy, and that the Green Wave won eight games and earned a bowl berth, and Losman looks even better. But ask him how he played last season, and doom and gloom comes out: “Terrible,” he said. “I thought I had a terrible season last year. I thought our team had a pretty bad season. I thought our offense did horrible, and our defense stepped up in a big way last season for us.” Example No. 2: Losman tells a reporter to be sure to catch as much Tulane football as he can this season. The reporter says he watched last season’s Hawaii Bowl, where Losman threw for 240 yards and ran for two scores in leading Tulane to a comeback victory. Losman’s take? “That was pretty bad. I didn’t think I played too well.” “I don’t ever think I play well,” he added, laughing. “It’s very hard to please me.” Luckily for Losman, NFL personnel evaluators have a higher opinion of his skills. National Scouting Combine has rated him as the top senior passing prospect in college football. Blesto has him rated third, behind Mississippi QB Eli Manning and Washington’s Cody Pickett, who are tied for the top spot. Losman doesn’t get the national attention that Manning, Pickett and Tennessee’s Casey Clausen get. But he is someone to keep an eye on. The NFL sure is. Scouts like Losman’s arm, his release, his mobility, his leadership. The 6-foot-3, 215-pound Losman has a good shot at being a first-round pick in the 2004 draft. Losman “shocked” one team that looked at him on film, an NFL scout told PFW, saying that Losman was deserving of National’s top ranking. An AFC scout said that while Manning was the top quarterback on his team's draft board, “Losman has got our attention.” A little background about Losman. A prep star from Venice, Calif., he originally signed on to play at UCLA but left in the spring of 1999 before ever taking a game snap. It’s something he doesn’t want to address anymore. ‘UCLA was just too close to home, and I had to get away,” he said. “I was not learning. I was not learning in terms of outside football. Football’s football, but when you’re a football player, you definitely have a life outside of football. And while at UCLA, I was so bombarded with so much family pressure and friends coming up to the college. It [didn’t] really feel like I was in college. “… I realized I needed to get away. And so that’s what I did.” He sat out the 1999 season at Tulane per NCAA transfer rules. He saw extensive action as a freshman in 2000, rotating with now-Redskins QB Patrick Ramsey. His potential was evident, particularly in a game vs. East Carolina, when he completed 20-of-35 passes for 299 yards and two scores. A knee injury knocked him out for much of the 2001 season, but he returned in October to start for an injured Ramsey and threw for a career-high 384 yards vs. Army. With Ramsey off to the pros, the starting job was Losman’s in 2002. But it took some time for Tulane to become his team. A turning point came when Losman called the Green Wave together during a three-game losing streak early in the season. Tulane head coach Chris Scelfo recalled that speech recently when asked about Losman the leader. “You just don’t become a leader,” Scelfo said. “You earn that.” Losman has. He is working out in New Orleans, eager to start the season. The Green Wave opens on Labor Day at home vs. TCU, a team that forced Losman into an 8-of-29 passing performance last season — by far his worst game. The TCU game will be on ESPN, and it may well be one of the few shots for a national TV audience to see Losman and a Tulane offense that returns nine starters, including standout RB Mewelde Moore. “I know who to rely on,” Losman said of his huddle. “I know what’s going to be protected. I know where our strengths are, where our weaknesses are. We’ve been together for a while. We all hang out on and off the field together. So we know each other not only as football players, but as people.” Losman has learned what buttons to push with what teammates — when to yell, when to get a point across in a different way. Either way, he demands excellence of his teammates. “I tell the offensive guys, ‘You guys can hate me, but I’m going to push you guys as much as I’m going to push myself,’ ” he said. Scouts don’t question his work ethic. Nor is there a question about his competitive fire, which one NFC college scouting director said is the first thing that jumps out about Losman on tape. But he does have some things to work on. Scouts and Scelfo would like him to get rid of the ball a little quicker. Also, Losman comes off as arrogant, according to some scouts. He certainly is confident. His voice tells you that much, his critique of his past season aside. And he has reason to be. Losman has dreamed of being an NFL quarterback since he was 5 years old. It looks like he’s going to get that shot. “Everything is falling into place, and everything is right where it should be,” he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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