metzelaars_lives Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 you are still trashing EJ.... tsk tsk man you have to lighten up. your blood pressure must be sky high @ mile high. IMO If injuries continue ... $5 Million would help in securing other positions if there is a need. People want TT because he's a new and exciting prospect, Matt is a new but unexciting prospect and EJ is the old prospect Doogie screwed with. and if Cassel looked good/great then EJ must have been astronomical!!! If they are in danger of going over the cap at any point, I would have no issue cutting Cassel. I have come around to the idea that Manuel could be a #2 at the very least. It's not like I'm advocating letting Dareus walk in order to make sure we have a good third string QB. But for now, I think it wouldn't hurt to keep him around just in case. Last thing we want is a 2014 Arizona Cardinals situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He is a master at it. We're not going 3-0 with Cassel leading this team. His play is so uninspiring and boring it will put the crowd to sleep, yawn. I'm feeling sleepy just talking about him. He's as Meh as Meh can get. The mellow icon is perfect for this occasion . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'm not using a crystal ball, but rather my eyes. He's completed 13/15 passes at a 86.7% clip. There's no way with a completion percentage that high his yards per attempt should be at 5.5, that's horrible. Especially when you've completed almost all your passes. He's not led one Td drive during the time he was in this preseason. We could have hung on to Tuel to complete short safe passes.IMO Look I'm not a Cassel guy but can we please stop with the microanalysis of preseason stats? You're citing Cassel's YPA in four drives now? That's a little over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 As I said a few weeks ago, a skydiving coach doesn't name a guy like Cassel his starting QB. Cassel was signed here to be the disaster option in case TT or EJ failed in the competition, 4 weeks laters that isn't the case, not even close. Cassel is toast. That's one way to look at it. The other way is that Rex is a conservative offensive guy, wants ground and pound and don't turn the ball over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That's one way to look at it. The other way is that Rex is a conservative offensive guy, wants ground and pound and don't turn the ball over. That might be because he never had a functional QB to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That's one way to look at it. The other way is that Rex is a conservative offensive guy, wants ground and pound and don't turn the ball over. I think the Tyrod pickup and the desire to see EJ "use his legs" more contradict that notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He is a master at it. If a word is misused in the same meaning enough the meaning of the word will be adjusted for the meaning of the word to be correct use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If a word is misused in the same meaning enough the meaning of the word will be adjusted for the meaning of the word to be correct use. you had me thinking with that phrase, literally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think the Tyrod pickup and the desire to see EJ "use his legs" more contradict that notion.Why? TT is known as a running QB. That adds to the ground and pound and conservative approach and not the run wild gamble approach. Everything they have done with TT is the games is to make him a quick decision short passer to see if he can play an efficient passing game with his feet being an added weapon and bonus and not the core function. They didn't call one run yesterday for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The cap rollover implications of cutting Matt Cassel's 4.75 mil are pretty intriguing. I have would have to think its being talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Look I'm not a Cassel guy but can we please stop with the microanalysis of preseason stats? You're citing Cassel's YPA in four drives now? That's a little over the top. Normally I'm all for using reason when applying pre-season stats, but given his league history that 5.5 looks like Matt Cassel as much as any stat can look like Matt Cassel. 2014:6.0 2013:7.1 2012:6.5 2011:6.4 2010:6.9 2009:5.9 2008:7.2 2007:5.4 2006:4.0 2005:7.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The other way is that Rex is a conservative offensive guy, wants ground and pound and don't turn the ball over. Then Cassel isn't his man. In the past 2 seasons EJ has started 14 games and Cassel 12, so the games played is very close. Don't forget that for 9 of these starts Cassel had Adrian Peterson in his backfield. Their numbers: Cassel Passer Rating - 78.1 TDs (both running and throwing) - 15 Turnovers (ints and fumbles) - 16 EJ Passer Rating - 78.5 TDs (both running and throwing) - 19 Turnovers (ints and fumbles) - 15 EJ has played two more games and has fewer turnovers. Hell, people want to say EJ has been "bad" the past two years yet he's been better than this supposedly rock solid, "consistent" vet. Granted, obviously stats don't tell the entire story, but you can get a pretty good picture from them. I can't wrap my mind around how anybody would want Cassel as the starter when you have two young guys who have been playing their asses off. If the coaches go this direction I'll lose some faith in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Look I'm not a Cassel guy but can we please stop with the microanalysis of preseason stats? You're citing Cassel's YPA in four drives now? That's a little over the top. Agree. Gotta poop on Cassel due to last 5 years and his current fluttery balls. We're lucky Boykin can't catch. Meh was lucky he didn't get picked 6 there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Look I'm not a Cassel guy but can we please stop with the microanalysis of preseason stats? You're citing Cassel's YPA in four drives now? That's a little over the top. Fine his career average is 6.6 which last year would have netted the Bills tied for 19th (Cleveland finished 15th 6.9) . Now if you look at his career average and what he has shown this year it's not good by any standards.https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-pass-attempt/ Never mind... It went right over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS 56 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Nonsense.. If you don't know make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Agree. Gotta poop on Cassel due to last 5 years and his current fluttery balls. We're lucky Boykin can't catch. Meh was lucky he didn't get picked 6 there. It was tipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Then Cassel isn't his man. In the past 2 seasons EJ has started 14 games and Cassel 12, so the games played is very close. Don't forget that for 9 of these starts Cassel had Adrian Peterson in his backfield. Their numbers: Cassel Passer Rating - 78.1 TDs (both running and throwing) - 15 Turnovers (ints and fumbles) - 16 EJ Passer Rating - 78.5 TDs (both running and throwing) - 19 Turnovers (ints and fumbles) - 15 EJ has played two more games and has fewer turnovers. Hell, people want to say EJ has been "bad" the past two years yet he's been better than this supposedly rock solid, "consistent" vet. Granted, obviously stats don't tell the entire story, but you can get a pretty good picture from them. I can't wrap my mind around how anybody would want Cassel as the starter when you have two young guys who have been playing their asses off. If the coaches go this direction I'll lose some faith in them. MDH, quit stating facts. It's all about what your eyes tell ya......well, unless it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) Fine his career average is 6.6 which last year would have netted the Bills tied for 19th (Cleveland finished 15th 6.9) . Now if you look at his career average and what he has shown this year it's not good by any standards.https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-pass-attempt/ Never mind... It went right over your head. I guess so. Did you have a point? Edited August 30, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Then Cassel isn't his man. In the past 2 seasons EJ has started 14 games and Cassel 12, so the games played is very close. Don't forget that for 9 of these starts Cassel had Adrian Peterson in his backfield. Their numbers: Cassel Passer Rating - 78.1 TDs (both running and throwing) - 15 Turnovers (ints and fumbles) - 16 EJ Passer Rating - 78.5 TDs (both running and throwing) - 19 Turnovers (ints and fumbles) - 15 EJ has played two more games and has fewer turnovers. Hell, people want to say EJ has been "bad" the past two years yet he's been better than this supposedly rock solid, "consistent" vet. Granted, obviously stats don't tell the entire story, but you can get a pretty good picture from them. I can't wrap my mind around how anybody would want Cassel as the starter when you have two young guys who have been playing their asses off. If the coaches go this direction I'll lose some faith in them. I don't either considering how TT has played. I don't think I'm ready to give EJ the keys to the car yet but I'm close. But the comparisons in stats are one tool. It's easy to imagine Rex and Roman thinking all we need our QB to do is not make mistakes, read the defense pre and post snap, and then let Watkins, woods, Harvin, Clay and Shady run wild. That, before, could have screamed Cassel. He's rarely had a bunch of good playmakers around him let alone five. BUT... After watching TT make good decisions and make no mistakes and consistently efficiently move the team, they get the best of both worlds. I don't see how they don't start Taylor but you still see this basically conservative approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I really hope this gets leaked soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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