Rocky Landing Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Hogan hasnt had a good camp, Deonte Thompson imo could steal that spot. More upside and great camp. Gray has been practicing as the 2nd TE behind Clay. Think he would have to bomb to fall behind Gragg/O'Leary. Don't agree on Hogan. He's not a lock, but I think he's close. I do agree on Gray. It's interesting how little press he's gotten, however-- even from Astro. From reading the camp updates, tweets, articles, etc, it's almost like he isn't there. Personally, I've been talking him up since the end of last season. I love his versatility, size, athleticism, and especially his intelligence. And it would seem that his major reported weakness-- his blocking ability-- has improved enormously. I also love his character, and I do admit that I am a bit of a character guy, as a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 You lost me at EJ - he's so done and might not even make the roster as a 3rd string QB. Stop drinking the Freshie. Bookmarked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Hogan hasnt had a good camp, Deonte Thompson imo could steal that spot. More upside and great camp. Gray has been practicing as the 2nd TE behind Clay. Think he would have to bomb to fall behind Gragg/O'Leary. Where have you got Hogan having a bad campt from? I haven't heard that from anywhere else and Rex mentioned him specifically in one of the press conferences last week where they asked him who would be the 2nd receiver out of Woods and Harvin and he said he saw them as both being legit 2nd guys and don't forget we have Chris Hogan too before then saying some other guys had shown "nice things". I think in the staff's mind it is those 4 and then a scrum for the 5th and/or 6th spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Where have you got Hogan having a bad campt from? I haven't heard that from anywhere else and Rex mentioned him specifically in one of the press conferences last week where they asked him who would be the 2nd receiver out of Woods and Harvin and he said he saw them as both being legit 2nd guys and don't forget we have Chris Hogan too before then saying some other guys had shown "nice things". I think in the staff's mind it is those 4 and then a scrum for the 5th and/or 6th spots.I believe Easley is a lock, strictly for ST value. Plus, he seems to have been making plays throughout camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Buddy?? Dude, your list lost all cred. with ur first roster spot. Assuming ur serious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Buddy?? Dude, your list lost all cred. with ur first roster spot. Assuming ur serious... Whaa? Care to elaborate? Do you take exception with my selection of QB's, oh omniscient one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I believe Easley is a lock, strictly for ST value. Plus, he seems to have been making plays throughout camp. I think it's early to call anyone other than Watkins, Woods, and Harvin a lock. But, obviously, we're not going to just carry three WRs. I think Hogan and Easley top the list behind them, and I think you may be right that Easley has a slight, if irrelevant, edge on Hogan-- if for no other reason that they have already signed Easley's contract. I'm a pretty big Hogan fan, though. He's gotten better, and stronger, and more consistent every season, and offseason, and has as a high a work ethic as anyone on the roster. He's the right kind of guy to have on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Whaa? Care to elaborate? Do you take exception with my selection of QB's, oh omniscient one? Funny. LOL. Fair enough. I don't see Cassel not making the team keeping the other two: 1. Taylor has NEVER started an NFL game I think. 2. E.J. doesn't seem to be making progress by most accounts. 3. Ryan isn't going to blow his 1st season in Buffalo behind 2 unproven QBs. 4. If Cassel flames out, then that's on the G.M. and the organization more than R. Ryan. IMO Could we agree that after the 2nd (Cleveland) pre-season game, the # 1 starter is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Funny. LOL. Fair enough. I don't see Cassel not making the team keeping the other two: 1. Taylor has NEVER started an NFL game I think. 2. E.J. doesn't seem to be making progress by most accounts. 3. Ryan isn't going to blow his 1st season in Buffalo behind 2 unproven QBs. 4. If Cassel flames out, then that's on the G.M. and the organization more than R. Ryan. IMO Could we agree that after the 2nd (Cleveland) pre-season game, the # 1 starter is it? If Cassel doesn't start, there is no real advantage of having him on your roster in my opinion. I think it's early to call anyone other than Watkins, Woods, and Harvin a lock. But, obviously, we're not going to just carry three WRs. I think Hogan and Easley top the list behind them, and I think you may be right that Easley has a slight, if irrelevant, edge on Hogan-- if for no other reason that they have already signed Easley's contract. I'm a pretty big Hogan fan, though. He's gotten better, and stronger, and more consistent every season, and offseason, and has as a high a work ethic as anyone on the roster. He's the right kind of guy to have on the team. I'm with you, I think both are poised to make the roster. if they keep 6, that's when you have to consider Thigpen or Goodwin, but neither of those two should be kept of Hogan or Easley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122hero Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 http://hardfoulsports.com/2015/08/13/bills-53-man-roster-projection-early-training-camp-edition-with-bonus-interactive-roster-builder/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If Cassel doesn't start, there is no real advantage of having him on your roster in my opinion. I'm with you, I think both are poised to make the roster. if they keep 6, that's when you have to consider Thigpen or Goodwin, but neither of those two should be kept of Hogan or Easley I disagree somewhat. Cassel does have experience, no real upside, however he might be the caretaker / game manager for you for 1 season. E.J. and T.T.??? Pretty risky IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Funny. LOL. Fair enough. I don't see Cassel not making the team keeping the other two: 1. Taylor has NEVER started an NFL game I think. 2. E.J. doesn't seem to be making progress by most accounts. 3. Ryan isn't going to blow his 1st season in Buffalo behind 2 unproven QBs. 4. If Cassel flames out, then that's on the G.M. and the organization more than R. Ryan. IMO Could we agree that after the 2nd (Cleveland) pre-season game, the # 1 starter is it? Is it worth 4+ million to keep a QB who has yet to clearly establish himself as the starter? I mean, you'd think a guy worth that kind of coin would have separated himself from the others by now. No? Also, Cassel hasn't really done anything since 2010. Is my prediction that far off base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Buddy?? Dude, your list lost all cred. with ur first roster spot. Assuming ur serious... You spelled out the first "your," but used ur for the last two. Y? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Is it worth 4+ million to keep a QB who has yet to clearly establish himself as the starter? I mean, you'd think a guy worth that kind of coin would have separated himself from the others by now. No? Also, Cassel hasn't really done anything since 2010. Is my prediction that far off base? Exactly. Both EJ and TT can be serviceable backups. Also, if you think about where that money can go to (extending Dareus), then it really does make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Is it worth 4+ million to keep a QB who has yet to clearly establish himself as the starter? I mean, you'd think a guy worth that kind of coin would have separated himself from the others by now. No? Also, Cassel hasn't really done anything since 2010. Is my prediction that far off base? Well, the Bills keep finding themselves in this rent-a-vet situation. I see Cassel as essentially the same QB as Orton last year: a warm body that has experience and probably won't really lose you too many games. I'm not going all-in with E.J. and T.T., if I were coach / G.M. You spelled out the first "your," but used ur for the last two. Y? LTS... "Lazy Texting Syndrome". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Well, the Bills keep finding themselves in this rent-a-vet situation. I see Cassel as essentially the same QB as Orton last year: a warm body that has experience and probably won't really lose you too many games. I'm not going all-in with E.J. and T.T., if I were coach / G.M. LTS... "Lazy Texting Syndrome". I would contend that Orton lost us quite a few games last year. He was horrible down the stretch. If not for the defense, he might only have won 1 or 2 games. I'd rather roll the dice with Tyrod Taylor and EJ and hope for some excitement than watch Cassel throw 6 yard curl routes all game long because he has a dead arm. JMO though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) If Cassel doesn't start, there is no real advantage of having him on your roster in my opinion. I completely disagree with this. The one thing you can say about Cassel is that he is a known commodity in a regular season game. Mediocre, sure. But, if we only carry two QBs, EJ/Taylor (or Taylor/EJ... whichever) could end up looking a lot like 2013. And, if we carry three, which seems likely to me, given our situation, it better not be EJ/Taylor/Simms. That would look even more like 2013! Is it worth 4+ million to keep a QB who has yet to clearly establish himself as the starter? I mean, you'd think a guy worth that kind of coin would have separated himself from the others by now. No? Also, Cassel hasn't really done anything since 2010. Is my prediction that far off base? I believe that when the decision is made whether or not to keep Cassel, his price tag will not even enter the conversation. But, as far as "separation" is concerned, I think, in regards to Cassel, the question is more about consistency. Has Cassel become more consistent through TC? And, I think the answer is, yes. I don't think anyone was hoping, or expecting Cassel to turn into something other than Cassel. If EJ, or Tyrod were to pull away in TC, there is still no guarantee that they would consistently perform in the regular season. The reason for Cassel to be on the QB roster would be to provide some consistency, mediocre that may be. Because, consistently mediocre may end up being our best option, sad to say. Edited August 13, 2015 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 I believe that when the decision is made whether or not to keep Cassel, his price tag will not even enter the conversation. But, as far as "separation" is concerned, I think, in regards to Cassel, the question is more about consistency. Has Cassel become more consistent through TC? And, I think the answer is, yes. I don't think anyone was hoping, or expecting Cassel to turn into something other than Cassel. If EJ, or Tyrod were to pull away in TC, there is still no guarantee that they would consistently perform in the regular season. The reason for Cassel to be on the QB roster would be to provide some consistency, mediocre that may be. Because, consistently mediocre may end up being our best option, sad to say. I respect your perception, but I disagree. I would content that, if anything, Tyrod Taylor has been the most consistent AND has improved the most. Cassel seems to have a decent practice followed by 2 or 3 not so good practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If Cassel doesn't start, there is no real advantage of having him on your roster in my opinion. I'm with you, I think both are poised to make the roster. if they keep 6, that's when you have to consider Thigpen or Goodwin, but neither of those two should be kept of Hogan or Easley What? That doesn't make any sense. He's exactly the guy you want as your backup if you do decide to roll the dice on Taylor. Cassel will be on the freaking team unless he completely implodes. The only question is which of the other two, if not both of them, they keep. As of today, my prediction based on their performances so far is that EJ gets cut outright. There is still plenty of time, obviously, for that to change. I completely disagree with this. The one thing you can say about Cassel is that he is a known commodity in a regular season game. Mediocre, sure. But, if we only carry two QBs, EJ/Taylor (or Taylor/EJ... whichever) could end up looking a lot like 2013. And, if we carry three, which seems likely to me, given our situation, it better not be EJ/Taylor/Simms. That would look even more like 2013! I believe that when the decision is made whether or not to keep Cassel, his price tag will not even enter the conversation. But, as far as "separation" is concerned, I think, in regards to Cassel, the question is more about consistency. Has Cassel become more consistent through TC? And, I think the answer is, yes. I don't think anyone was hoping, or expecting Cassel to turn into something other than Cassel. If EJ, or Tyrod were to pull away in TC, there is still no guarantee that they would consistently perform in the regular season. The reason for Cassel to be on the QB roster would be to provide some consistency, mediocre that may be. Because, consistently mediocre may end up being our best option, sad to say. Yes, exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I respect your perception, but I disagree. I would content that, if anything, Tyrod Taylor has been the most consistent AND has improved the most. Cassel seems to have a decent practice followed by 2 or 3 not so good practices. I agree that Taylor has shown the most consistency, and improvement (although, I have only camp reports, etc,on which to base my opinion). But, the problem is (and the reason that Cassel has value on this roster), is that TT has never started a regular season game, and has only performed in the regular season during "garbage time." (I hate that phrase) Even if he shows well in preseason games, it will be hard to fully commit to him, without a veteran backup who can be relied upon as a known commodity. Be that as it may, I have to wonder: If the QB competition isn't going to be resolved until the start of the regular season (which, given Ryan's recent comments, is a very real possibility, if not likelihood), would we be better served by turning this from a three-way competition, into a two-way competition? Maybe it's become less about who pulls away, and more about who drops behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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