Manther Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Bills and Sammy. Both this year. Agreed! AND, I think Eichel will make the All-Star team year one. But, there all star game is later in hockey than football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Bills are more advanced in their progress and rebuild right now. I fell they will make mayoffs this year. Sabres are 2-3 years from serious contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I went Sabres and Watkins. If the question was which will be the first to advance in the playoffs I'd switch from Sabres to Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Better yet, which will be the first to make the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I went Bills and Sammy (even though I think Eichel is an all star as a rookie). Actually, aren't the NHL All-Star game and the Pro Bowl played on the same day??? If so, whichever is played first. They both go this year IMO. The Sabres have a decent shot at the playoffs next year. I think that the Bills are a playoff team. if the Sabres are 50/50 to make the playoffs this year the Bills will have 1 or 2 chances to win a playoff game before the Sabres play a playoff game (obviously if they make it in '15-'16 the Bills will have only 1 chance). The Bills are closer now and the Sabres job gets more difficult. It is really easy to rebuild from the bottom. You just deal away every piece that has any value. You do not have to worry about the cap (except the floor) and you have no expectations. The job gets tough when you are now trying to take this young talent and build around it. You need the right fits and skill sets and personalities need to mesh. FA mistakes (talking to you Leino) can cripple you. Doug Whaley's job at this point is a thousand times more difficult than Tim Murray's but that is about to change. The Sabres now have the foundation that they need to cultivate and grow. If so they will be a championship contender in a few short years. The window for the Bills is open now. They have to be a little lucky to get to the top (everyone does). Edited June 2, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Better yet, which will be the first to make the playoffs?i thought that was too easy. I think everyone would pick the Bills. But it's a tougher question on who will win first, because getting to the playoffs is the first hurdle yet could be achieved by beating some bad teams in the reg season, getting a little lucky and squeezing in as a WC (which I would certainly take!!). Beating a playoff team, without a playoff QB, most likely on the road, is a different story. I went Bills and Sammy (even though I think Eichel is an all star as a rookie). Actually, aren't the NHL All-Star game and the Pro Bowl played on the same day??? If so, whichever is played first. They both go this year IMO. The Sabres have a decent shot at the playoffs next year. I think that the Bills are a playoff team. if the Sabres are 50/50 to make the playoffs this year the Bills will have 1 or 2 chances to win a playoff game before the Sabres play a playoff game (obviously if they make it in '15-'16 the Bills will have only 1 chance). The Bills are closer now and the Sabres job gets more difficult. It is really easy to rebuild from the bottom. You just deal away every piece that has any value. You do not have to worry about the cap (except the floor) and you have no expectations. The job gets tough when you are now trying to take this young talent and build around it. You need the right fits and skill sets and personalities need to mesh. FA mistakes (talking to you Leino) can cripple you. Doug Whaley's job at this point is a thousand times more difficult than Tim Murray's but that is about to change. The Sabres now have the foundation that they need to cultivate and grow. If so they will be a championship contender in a few short years. The window for the Bills is open now. They have to be a little lucky to get to the top (everyone does). i feel like the Sabres are going to have their "franchise QB" so to speak and will be building around him. The Bills don't have that guy (yet) and will be trying to win in other ways. Both will be fun to watch imo!!I went Sabres and Watkins. If the question was which will be the first to advance in the playoffs I'd switch from Sabres to Billsi was thinking that might have been a better question ... But then again it's so hard to win an NHL playoff series. The CBJ made the playoffs for the first time in 2009 and got swept. They didn't make it again until 2014 and finally won a game or two but not the series. This year, missed playoffs again with a ton of injuries early. Edited June 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I don't see the Bills winning a playoff game until Brady retires so they can actually host a game in Buffalo. It also might not be a bad idea to find a QB who can actually throw a football accurately down the field. I think the Sabres definitely win a playoff series in the 2016 season when they add a top 6 forward and figure out the goaltending. Bottom line is that it is going to be fun to watch the Bills D and the Sabres O for a few years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 i feel like the Sabres are going to have their "franchise QB" so to speak and will be building around him. The Bills don't have that guy (yet) and will be trying to win in other ways. Both will be fun to watch imo!! It's kind of tricky though because unless it is a goaltender it is like having a great RB or WR (which the Bills have both of). As good as Eichel is he cannot win on his own like a LeBron or Andrew Luck. Sidney Crosby snuck into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Sammy Watkins wasn't even the best WR in his class, let alone the best (or even 2nd best) player. He would not have gone 1st overall in any other draft class. Jack Eichel is #2 overall in his draft class, and would've been #1 in any other class. *Eichel will be the highest regarded athlete Buffalo has seen in decades. Edited June 2, 2015 by Bubbles from Sunnyvale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Sammy Watkins wasn't even the best WR in his class, let alone the best (or even 2nd best) player. He would not have gone 1st overall in any other draft class. Jack Eichel is #2 overall in his draft class, and would've been #1 in any other class. and...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Sammy Watkins wasn't even the best WR in his class, let alone the best (or even 2nd best) player. He would not have gone 1st overall in any other draft class. Jack Eichel is #2 overall in his draft class, and would've been #1 in any other class. *Eichel will be the highest regarded athlete Buffalo has seen in decades. Can we let the dude play nhl games first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 It's kind of tricky though because unless it is a goaltender it is like having a great RB or WR (which the Bills have both of). As good as Eichel is he cannot win on his own like a LeBron or Andrew Luck. Sidney Crosby snuck into the playoffs.Eichel will have way more talent around him than Sydney Crosby...it's not even close. and...?And...this is just typical. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Eichel will have way more talent around him than Sydney Crosby...it's not even close. And...this is just typical. ;-) typical of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Can we let the dude play nhl games first?Clearly you don't watch much hockey. typical of what?The "Bills Mafia." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Clearly you don't watch much hockey. The "Bills Mafia." I guess I don't know what you are referring to. The fact that more people have voted for Sammy to make the pro bowl before Eichel makes the all-star game? I didn't see the relevance to that with your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Sammy Watkins wasn't even the best WR in his class, let alone the best (or even 2nd best) player. He would not have gone 1st overall in any other draft class. Jack Eichel is #2 overall in his draft class, and would've been #1 in any other class. *Eichel will be the highest regarded athlete Buffalo has seen in decades. Most of this isn't true. He was the highest rated player to multiple teams in a 3 year window 2013-2015. He was the highest rated WR since Julio and Green. Eichel will have way more talent around him than Sydney Crosby...it's not even close. That has nothing to do with the point that was being made. The point was that only a dominant goalie can carry a team like a franchise QB or NBA superstar. A star forward can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthtobrint Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I'm pretty sure the only reason the Bills/Watkins are winning these polls by a large margin is because this is a Buffalo Bills board. Objectively, the Sabres/Eichel is much more likely. Like others have pointed out, a much greater percentage of teams make the NHL playoffs and the team would have many opportunities to win just one game. With regards to an All-Star appearance, it's easier for an individual's talent to shine on a hockey team than it is for a WR who is so greatly dependent on a team's offensive line and QB, both of which leave something to be desired on the Bills. Edited June 2, 2015 by earthtobrint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 The Bills have arguably the worst Oline/QB combo in the entire NFL and although they have great talent elsewhere, that's is just not how you get to the playoffs let alone win a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If it was "make the playoffs" then Bills by a wide margin. But it is tougher to win an NFL playoff game than an NHL playoff game, so I gotta go with the Sabres. Regarding Sammy and Eichel, I think Sammy gets hurt by not having a QB to give him the ball so I gotta go with Eichel. Great thread, by the way. Not just that, but in a 16-game football season, a team's more subject to random chance than in an 82-game hockey season. For as good as the Bills roster looks, all it takes is significant injury to Dareus and Mario to go from a hypothetical 11-5 to 8-8. When you've got an 82-game season, you've got more room to overcome bad luck. Not that I'm saying the Sabres will be the first - it's not that deterministic. But the betting odds are on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan32 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think a better question would be, will the Bills win a playoff game before the Sabres win a playoff series? Either way, I think the Sabres are in a better position than the Bills. They have a lot of talent in the pipe. The Bills have some holes are going to keep them out of the playoffs for a while (I hope I am wrong on that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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