SmokinES3 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Anyone who says they would trade EJ Manuel and a mid round pick for Robert Griffin III needs to get their head examined. The only reason anyone on here even says they want Manuel gone is because they've gone so far down that rabbit hole that they're embarrassed to try and climb back up. With Griffin, not only is there absolutely ZERO upside, but the entire world has already seen it. It doesn't matter though, it's not like we have a GM asinine enough to even consider such a ridiculously stupid move anyway. Troll. Zero upside is a little hyperbolic no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Yes, the people who want to trade Manuel and a mid round pick for a guy that appears to have osteogenesis imperfecta are crazy. great point Kiko, well-informed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Zero upside is a little hyperbolic no? Nope. I honestly don't think so. Anyone who thinks Griffin is an upgrade over EJ has zero credibility. He's not even an upgrade over Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I care. It doesn't blow your mind that someone who cares enough about the Bills to spend their time posting on a Bills fan site doesn't know how to spell the name of the QB they took in the first round two years ago? See the three things I bolded: 1. Nope, not even close. 2. He has certainly had some issues following his rookie year but you do realize that was only two years ago and was pretty much one of the better rookie QB seasons in the history of the sport of football, right? 3. I don't know what planet some of you people live on. I give up. I care +1 If RG3 is a bust then EJ is a total failure. let me get this straight RG3 had one of the best Years a rookie QB ever had in NFL History and he is still very young. This guy needs a coach that can work with him. That's like you having a boss at your work saying bad things about you. Then saying he can't work with you because you don't fit into there concepts and plans. How long will it be before your fired or you look for a new Job. Does that make you a bad guy. Does that mean you can't be successful and work some where else and be productive. Use your eyes look at what RG3 was before the Injury and all this miss handling and rushing him back. RG3 guy is and always will be a Franchise QB. EJ is a pretender, there not cut from the same cloth. RG3 is healthy, he has recoverd from his Injuries. He needs a change of scenery and a coach that can mold him and use his God given talents. Is RG3 a primadona sure he is show me what QB isn't. But he is the perfect fit for what Roman is trying to do. You know what they say one mans trash is another mans treasure. is this poetry, haiku, a post about a potential trade rumor?........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I make the trade. RG3 has not put in the work and developed as hoped. He's definitely been a disappointment, only has one year left on his contract and has been known in Washington's locker room as a prima donna. But Hes got a better chance of becoming a franchise QB than Manuel and the combination of getting benched for much lesser talents, getting shipped to Buffalo for not much compensation and Ryan putting his foot up his arse might be the wake up call he needs. Sometimes a change of scenery helps as well. It might for EJ, too. Funny thing: When RG3 was drafted by Washington I said I looked forward to rooting for him on his second team because I figured he'd be totally misused there and wind up being traded, cut or leave after his rookie contract. I didn't expect him to have dedication issues in the pros, but I'd still take him if the price was right and I would find it amusing if I really did wind up rooting for him on his second team because it was the Bills. Zero upside for RG3, but plenty for EJ? Wow. All I can say regarding people having their heads examined is "After you." Show me where I said EJ has plenty of upside. My assertion is that he has way more upside than Griffin. A mouse has a way bigger mouth than an ant. But the mouse doesn't have a large mouth. Right? My point was that Griffin has ZERO upside. Therefore, ANY upside is way more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profitspro Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 No question if there is the chance that the Bills could pull off a trade and get RG3 for Manuel I would take that trade in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Then why did they sign Tyrod Taylor they need a threat of a QB that can run. RG3 does not have to run like he did before but the threat of it will be there. he is a great passer too he is ? sorry, I'm missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 This thread is a beautiful thing. Lots of separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Skill set wise Griffin is superior to Manuel, and he has already done it in this league. 2012 Rookie year at 22 years old he's 9-6 with 20 TDs vs 5 INT's while Manuel's best season was 4-6 with 11/9. 2 of this 3 RG seasons his completion percentrage was 65% or greater, while Manuel's is 58% both seasons in the league. If you think Griffin was captain checkdown, his 8 yards per reception those seasons exceeds Manuel's 6.4. Griffin's only bad season came in 2013 off of knee surgery that experts say it was too soon for him to return. He also played with a Redskins D that ranked 18th in the league. The issue with Griffin is his maturity. But the same can be said about Manuel and his inability to accept responsiblity for his poor play during the season. Both QB's were benched last season, which were humbling I'm sure for each. In the end, I still feel Griffin is a unique talent. He just succeeded so early in his career I think it went to his head. I feel it would do both QB's good to have a fresh start. If there was an offer out their for Griffin for EJ and as low as a 4th, I would take that. In a heartbeat Griffin is a better fit for Roman's offense and I think he'll be asked to pass less than he was asked in Washington. That will limit his mistakes. Having a QB like Griffin would instantly put Buffalo in the talk as having a QB that already led his team to the playoffs with a far inferior defense (Washington's D ranked 28th in 2012 when he took the Redskins to the playoffs). Imagine what he can do with a running game and number 1 D? I said a while back i see a trade for RG as something that can happen for the Bills. Having RG III, Cassel, Taylor and Tuel as QB competiion heading into July looks really good to me. Edited March 22, 2015 by dezertbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) He had the best !@#$in running game in the league in his rookie year. He was was a fluke in his rookie year. Hence being pure crap ever since. And W-L is not a QB stat. It's a team stat. EDIT: And their D was 14th. Not 28th. But please, don't let facts get in the way of you making your point. Edited March 22, 2015 by Gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Gugny as soon as you manage to take your head out of your you know what and you come up for air. please make an appointment with a psychologist so they can fix what ever problem your having. You are not really a smart football fan. If you don't think RG3 is better then EJ then you have a serious flaw or your EJ brother. If you were to ask 100 experts all 100 would not agree with your opinion. Yes your allowed to have an opinion just don't embarrass your self in stating it. Now back away from the ledge and say that you were just joking or kidding. Edited March 22, 2015 by billsareback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Gugny as soon as you manage to take your head out of your you know what and you come up for air. please make an appointment with a psychologist so they can fix what ever problem your having. You are not really a smart football fan. If you don't think RG3 is better then EJ then you have a serious flaw or your EJ brother. If you were to ask 100 experts all 100 would not agree with your opinion. Yes your allowed to have an opinion just don't embarrass your self in stating it. Now back away from the ledge and say that you were just joking or kidding. You are as crazy as you are a troll. Go write Another Poetically formed Thread that Makes No Effing Sense, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) He had the best !@#$in running game in the league in his rookie year. He was was a fluke in his rookie year. Hence being pure crap ever since. And W-L is not a QB stat. It's a team stat. ...and like he won't have the best running game in the league in Buffalo? And 20/5 for a rookie is almost unheard of. And he was 4th in the league in 2012 and 3rd in the league in 2014 in completion percentage for QB's with at least 200 pass attempts. ..the entire league! That's not a fluke. Edited March 22, 2015 by dezertbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 He had the best !@#$in running game in the league in his rookie year. He was was a fluke in his rookie year. Hence being pure crap ever since. And W-L is not a QB stat. It's a team stat. EDIT: And their D was 14th. Not 28th. But please, don't let facts get in the way of you making your point. Do you think that there is any possibility that RG3's rookie year was not a fluke, but that there may be a reason for his decline since? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 ...and like he won't have the best running game in the league in Buffalo? And 20/5 for a rookie is almost unheard of. And he was 4th in the league in 2012 and 3rd in the league in 2014 in completion percentage for QB's with at least 200 pass attempts. ..the entire league! That's not a fluke. I still maintain that he was a fluke. And now he is a damaged, injury prone, fluke. I sincerely doubt Whaley would give this one second of thought. It's simply not smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Then why did they sign Tyrod Taylor they need a threat of a QB that can run. RG3 does not have to run like he did before but the threat of it will be there. he is a great passer too He is definitely NOT a great passer. He was a decent QB at one time with oodles of upside. But, anyone who saw him play last year could easily see that he has fear in the pocket. He doesn't step into his throws like any good high school QB does. It certainly looks like fear of ruining his knee again. Does anyone remember reading the observations of RG by their former TE, Cooley. He basically called RG the worst QB in the league. I'm not an EJ guy, but I wouldn't trade anyone of our QBs for RG. I hope for his sake that he somehow gets through this dark time of fear in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 RG3 has exponentially more upside than any of our options. He is a much better fit for the style of offense we want to play. Acquiring RG3 would be a huge coup. A change of scenery and playing for a coach that would support and encourage him like Rex, rather than someone who wrote him off early like Gruden did, could be the thing that solidifies his play for good. And if RG3's injuries persist, you have Taylor and Cassell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 ..and EJ has had two knee injuries that cost him games and even labeled him injury prone his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Of all of the offseason moves that we could regret, "man, I wish we still had EJ" won't be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) You guys are wrong RG3 had his highest completion percentage of his career In 2014 and if anything it shows he is getting more acurate. 2013 he had a slight dip because he was coming off Surgery and he was recovering. his career stats are right here and they blow EJ's away http://www.nfl.com/player/robertgriffiniii/2533033/careerstats Edited March 22, 2015 by billsareback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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