TheFunPolice Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) lol Holy crap! If you think EJ and Hackett are a joke you are now the crazy one on this board! Marrone leaving has made some of you lose your freaking minds Edited January 6, 2015 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 lol Holy crap! If you think EJ and Hackett are a joke you are now the crazy one on this board! No - But I think there is room for an open mind after the events of the past week have revealed some serious deficiencies in the offensive coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 the two advantages of Shanny are he has brought along young qb's before and will be given time to do it because he can flash he sb rings..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 lol Holy crap! If you think EJ and Hackett are a joke you are now the crazy one on this board! Marrone leaving has made some of you lose your freaking minds There are a lot of valid points being raised in this thread, including the biggest question of why did the Bills offense turn pop gun, when it was built for explosiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I get the need to attack and bash Doug Marrone. I do. I have enjoyed it myself. But let's not get delusional. Hackett's offense has been terrible the entire time he's been here. The marketing story for 2015 was he and Doug just needed a QB. After all, 9 wins was quite a feat with the CRAP they had to work with, right? Now it's "look! we had the answer all along! Hackett and EJ are right here!" Are you freaking kidding me? Are you guys gluttons for punishment or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 lol Holy crap! If you think EJ and Hackett are a joke you are now the crazy one on this board! Marrone leaving has made some of you lose your freaking minds there has never been a reason to criticize Hackett without looking at Marrone first. One was attached to the other and they likely held each other back in many ways. Ultimately it was Marrones team and Hacketts offensive play calling that made our team what it is. Last year in the Carolina game remember EJ played without a radio and called his own plays for a while. He looked damn good. When EJ has played the ball he wants to and he can it has looked amazing. Orton, same thing. Orton took the field showing eagerness. Happiness and a will to succeed. By a month later he was dejected. Called off the field for 4th and 1. Expected to make a 4th and 10 later. The same guy that said we are going for 2 in Detroit against what the coaches said was the same guy that a month plus later slid before the first down We were a bitter negative losing team under marrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I get the need to attack and bash Doug Marrone. I do. I have enjoyed it myself. But let's not get delusional. Hackett's offense has been terrible the entire time he's been here. The marketing story for 2015 was he and Doug just needed a QB. After all, 9 wins was quite a feat with the CRAP they had to work with, right? Now it's "look! we had the answer all along! Hackett and EJ are right here!" Are you freaking kidding me? Are you guys gluttons for punishment or what? forget it, Jake... it's Chinatown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 I get the need to attack and bash Doug Marrone. I do. I have enjoyed it myself. But let's not get delusional. Hackett's offense has been terrible the entire time he's been here. The marketing story for 2015 was he and Doug just needed a QB. After all, 9 wins was quite a feat with the CRAP they had to work with, right? Now it's "look! we had the answer all along! Hackett and EJ are right here!" Are you freaking kidding me? Are you guys gluttons for punishment or what? i don't see any one saying we've had the answer all along. Circumstances can lead to people being more open to the possibility that there is still a chance for EJ - things don't have to be so absolute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 So you're saying he missed two games in four years and he's injury prone. Got it, doc. In 2011 I think they played 13 games (9-4) and he played in 12 btw, so he missed one game and maybe part of another. I was giving you a few examples, with your weak reading comprehension skills, I didn't want to lose you. Between the injuries he had in college that he played through and ones he missed time with- adding his numerous injuries already in his short career with the Bills. The injury prone label sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) A lot of things start to make sense if you accept one premise: Whaley and Brandon essentially ordered St. Doug to start EJ and find a way to make it work. The no attention to the QB spot prior to Labor Day, once it started to look like EJ was a dumpster fire and both Dougs realized they might both be out on their asses if the only other option was Tuel if/when EJ continued to flame out. The tension and shouting matches at training camp, as EJ continued to look like crap and St. Doug started to get antsy and REALLY nasty. The blowup with the "go ahead and fire me" quote. The quick benching of EJ after the Texans game and St. Doug saying it was HIS CALL Thus the conservative, vanilla, "popgun offense." St. Doug knew EJ sucked. So he and Hackett tried to find a way to run the offense around him and minimize his ability to blow the game. Even the opt-out. After that season ending rpess conference Whaley and St. Doug have another of their "disagreements" over EJ. Since Orton is gone, Whaley wants to develop EJ. St. Doug wants another QB. He goes to Pegula and tries to get control of roster so that he is not left with EJ and a couple of practice squad QBs next season. It doesn't work. He leaves. And he's REALLY MAD that he feels his hand was forced. He knows leaving was a risky and potentially bad move. He knows he has a defense and a solid team. He feels wronged because the front office is trying to foist a terrible QB on him. He feels that this team can win right now with an actual QB but he is being told to deal with EJ. Hell, I'm furious at the idea and it's not my career or name attached to it. A lot makes sense. Including the sudden 180 on both Hackett and EJ now. Saint Doug was the worst person to ever live, so everything he said and thought was wrong. Thus we can continue with the guys we have! Hackett as OC and EJ. HEck, maybe even Hackett as HC! Edited January 6, 2015 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I think Marrone and Hackett understood the concept that Chip Kelly is actually implementing and started in that direction. The best EJ we ever saw was early on in August of 2013 when he was running that attacking no-huddle in preseason and running thru gaping holes for 20 yard gains was part of his choices. I contend that when Ralph died everything changed. The 3 year plan became a now or never. Marrone changed everything to create a situation where he wouldn't be accountable for losing. Up-tempo scrapped. Adjusting scheme to the QB scrapped. Play not to lose implented. That is an interesting take. I can't say I disagree. The quality of the defense probably aided in the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Saint Doug was the worst person to ever live, so everything he said and thought was wrong. Thus we can continue with the guys we have! Hackett as OC and EJ. HEck, maybe even Hackett as HC! And round and round we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 forget it, Jake... it's Chinatown Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It's amazing hoe easy Bills fans are to turn 180 degrees. A week ago Hackett was persona non grata. Now he's a young promising genius who was simply held back by the coaching equivalent of Josef Stalin, who brought only misery and sorrow to the team. lol I need a drink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I was giving you a few examples, with your weak reading comprehension skills, I didn't want to lose you. Between the injuries he had in college that he played through and ones he missed time with- adding his numerous injuries already in his short career with the Bills. The injury prone label sticks. I'll give one example: 1.5 g x 4 y ≠ Prone. It's amazing hoe easy Bills fans are to turn 180 degrees. A week ago Hackett was persona non grata. Now he's a young promising genius who was simply held back by the coaching equivalent of Josef Stalin, who brought only misery and sorrow to the team. lol I need a drink! There you go. For the record, whether Hackett had his hams strung or not, he needs to go. We need a whole new offensive staff in here, and a veteran QB to fight it out with EJ, and a rookie development guy to re-Tuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) It's amazing hoe easy Bills fans are to turn 180 degrees. A week ago Hackett was persona non grata. Now he's a young promising genius who was simply held back by the coaching equivalent of Josef Stalin, who brought only misery and sorrow to the team. lol I need a drink! The difference though is what has come to light the past week. It is not a normal situation, honestly it is pretty close to unprecedented. Digging in your heels and claiming that everything we thought before is still valid makes no sense. If you can't question and discuss things on an internet message board, then where? Edited January 6, 2015 by Juice_32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If EJ got cut right now, hed be picked up by a high end team in >45 seconds and wed be blaming Marrone for the next 15 years for the one that got away. Get him an O line and a reasonable offensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If EJ got cut right now, hed be picked up by a high end team in >45 seconds and wed be blaming Marrone for the next 15 years for the one that got away. Get him an O line and a reasonable offensive coordinator. Picked up, sure. Anointed as the starter, no questions asked? Doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I'll give one example: 1.5 g x 4 y ≠ Prone. There you go. For the record, whether Hackett had his hams strung or not, he needs to go. We need a whole new offensive staff in here, and a veteran QB to fight it out with EJ, and a rookie development guy to re-Tuel. As I figured, it was way too much for you to comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 As I figured, it was way too much for you to comprehend. Quarterbacks get hit and get hurt. Every one of them. They play through pain. All players at all positions do in fact, except kickers. If you missed one game your entire college career, and broke your pinkie, you are not injury prone. Just the opposite. Sorry to inform you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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